How often have we heard this argument among theists? That their all powerful, all mighty god that created everything doesn't have to answer to his supposed creation for anything he does no matter how questionable or horrible it seems. They don't seem to understand the problem with this logic. About leaving a supreme being unchecked.

What are some of your responses when a theist pulls this one out of their bag? I'd love to hear them.

They go from a conversation about divine existence to a conversation about divine psychology.

Maybe the theist's God doesn't owe me an explanation, but the God isn't the one making the claim. The theist certainly owes me an explanation. If one is not forthcoming, I walk away from the discussion as it is a waste of my time. 

Your God may not have to answer. But you do.

It's not 'your' god.

(November 26, 2021 at 8:53 pm)brewer Wrote: It's not 'your' god.

Technically it is. I haven't seen it, but Jill told me which pocket she keeps it in.

If they're going to use that language of "my" and all, I'll take it as an admission that they puppet the soul damned thing.

(November 26, 2021 at 9:01 pm)Ten Wrote:

(November 26, 2021 at 8:53 pm)brewer Wrote: It's not 'your' god.

Technically it is. I haven't seen it, but Jill told me which pocket she keeps it in.

If they're going to use that language of "my" and all, I'll take it as an admission that they puppet the soul damned thing.

Ownership is the other way around. They are 'its' pet. Why the hell do you think they sit and beg on command every Sunday.

I don't owe your god fealty, soooo.... I guess we're good?

(November 26, 2021 at 7:58 pm)T.J. Wrote: How often have we heard this argument among theists? That their all powerful, all mighty god that created everything doesn't have to answer to his supposed creation for anything he does no matter how questionable or horrible it seems. They don't seem to understand the problem with this logic. About leaving a supreme being unchecked.

What are some of your responses when a theist pulls this one out of their bag? I'd love to hear them.

It's the kind of line a con artist sells you.

Yeah, it usually comes with the claim that the "perfect creator [God] doesn't have to make the perfect creation."

Imagine if you heard about the perfect student, and you went to his school only to discover that a lot of his work is below mediocre. He certainly would not be considered an excellent student, let alone a perfect one. And yet his teachers are insisting that you can not question why the perfect student is making bad work, that the student doesn't owe you an explanation, and that you are committing a fallacy from personal incredulity.

Or imagine that you hear about the perfect architect, but when you look at the houses he made you see that he made the most basic mistakes, like he didn't make a living room, or didn't make a staircase to the upper floor, or the whole house falls apart when you open the door. This certainly would not be a good architect or a perfect one, and yet the proponents of him being the perfect architect say that he doesn't owe you an explanation.