(December 11, 2021 at 5:03 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:

(December 11, 2021 at 11:46 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

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Interesting factlet: for all the schmegegge in America about ‘the war on Christmas’, the only actual ban outlawing the holiday was put in place by hyper-religious New England Puritans and lasted for 22 years.

Boru

 Don't forget Oliver Cromwell.

Not sure about the Calvinists.

Easter is the most important event on the Xian calendar , but it's  Xmas for catholics. I think it's the stuffing oneself into a food coma, getting legless and of course the presents. I really enjoy giving presents. Receiving, not so much these days. I'm very hard to surprise and have more socks and shirts than I can use.

As a child and young man , I could eat tupperware and be just fine. These days I eat much less. Just about everything I like gives me shocking heartburn.


Pretty sure the Xians lifted December 25 from the roman god Deus Sol Invictus. I think it celebrates the winter Solstice in the  Northern Hemisphere. Here in the southern hemisphere it's summer.

Cromwell is known far and wide for completely failing to be an American.

Christians were celebrating the birth of Jesus in late December about a century and a half before Aurelian introduced the festival of Sol Invictus. Everyone seems to get this backwards - a Roman Emperor created a pagan holiday to compete with Christmas, not the other way round.

Boru

(December 11, 2021 at 5:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 11, 2021 at 5:03 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:  Don't forget Oliver Cromwell.

Not sure about the Calvinists.

Easter is the most important event on the Xian calendar , but it's  Xmas for catholics. I think it's the stuffing oneself into a food coma, getting legless and of course the presents. I really enjoy giving presents. Receiving, not so much these days. I'm very hard to surprise and have more socks and shirts than I can use.

As a child and young man , I could eat tupperware and be just fine. These days I eat much less. Just about everything I like gives me shocking heartburn.


Pretty sure the Xians lifted December 25 from the roman god Deus Sol Invictus. I think it celebrates the winter Solstice in the  Northern Hemisphere. Here in the southern hemisphere it's summer.

Cromwell is known far and wide for completely failing to be an American.

Christians were celebrating the birth of Jesus in late December about a century and a half before Aurelian introduced the festival of Sol Invictus. Everyone seems to get this backwards - a Roman Emperor created a pagan holiday to compete with Christmas, not the other way round.

Boru

 
Fascinating. Another belief shattered.

I've always thought December 25 is the winter solstice. I've also always thought Jesus was probably born in spring.  Have no idea where I learned all that so it might be wrong too.

(December 11, 2021 at 5:24 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:

(December 11, 2021 at 5:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Cromwell is known far and wide for completely failing to be an American.

Christians were celebrating the birth of Jesus in late December about a century and a half before Aurelian introduced the festival of Sol Invictus. Everyone seems to get this backwards - a Roman Emperor created a pagan holiday to compete with Christmas, not the other way round.

Boru

 
Fascinating. Another belief shattered.

I've always thought December 25 is the winter solstice. I've also always thought Jesus was probably born in spring.  Have no idea where I learned all that so it might be wrong too.

The solstice typically occurs on 21 December.

A Greek historian (whose name escapes me just now) of the period calculated that Jesus was conceived in March and born in December. If I remember rightly, it goes something like this:

-John the Baptist was conceived on Yom Kippur, which typically occurs in October.

-JtB is six months older than Jesus.

-Therefore, Jesus would have to have been conceived in March.

-March to December is nine months.

Boru

(November 28, 2021 at 8:17 pm)T.J. Wrote: It's time for Christmas music, Christmas decorations, Christmas trees, and theists complaining that they can't say the word Christmas. It's the most wonderful and most commercialized time of the year and I love it! And before you Christians start going, "You can't celebrate Christmas it's our holiday!" I'll just remind you that you stole Christmas from the pagans. Nonetheless I will be celebrating me some Christmas!

Talk about all things December and Christmas here. I was going to wait until December 1st to post this, but Christmas never waited for November to end before, so why start now?

Go go Santa Clause!

Ah, I just got done doing Christmas shopping for everyone I enjoy Christmas always have although there are a lot of people in the same position of me whos families refuse to respect them and that's unfortunate. I wish i could give those people gifts to, iv'e always wanted to but Christmas is pricey for even me. Besides that fact i love Christmas for the l.e.d lights the color combinations and the music. I don't whos holiday it is haha. It's mine too!

(December 11, 2021 at 5:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 11, 2021 at 5:24 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:  
Fascinating. Another belief shattered.

I've always thought December 25 is the winter solstice. I've also always thought Jesus was probably born in spring.  Have no idea where I learned all that so it might be wrong too.

The solstice typically occurs on 21 December.

A Greek historian (whose name escapes me just now) of the period calculated that Jesus was conceived in March and born in December. If I remember rightly, it goes something like this:

-John the Baptist was conceived on Yom Kippur, which typically occurs in October.



-JtB is six months older than Jesus.

-Therefore, Jesus would have to have been conceived in March.

-March to December is nine months.

Boru

 Interesting stuff.  Of course of limited use because the New Testament is myth rather than a history book. As far as I'm aware there's the same amount of contemporary evidence for the existence of John the Baptist than there is for Jesus. IE none

However it's sometimes interesting to see the minds of apologists at work.

(December 11, 2021 at 6:12 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:

(December 11, 2021 at 5:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The solstice typically occurs on 21 December.

A Greek historian (whose name escapes me just now) of the period calculated that Jesus was conceived in March and born in December. If I remember rightly, it goes something like this:

-John the Baptist was conceived on Yom Kippur, which typically occurs in October.



-JtB is six months older than Jesus.

-Therefore, Jesus would have to have been conceived in March.

-March to December is nine months.

Boru

 Interesting stuff.  Of course of limited use because the New Testament is myth rather than a history book. As far as I'm aware there's the same amount of contemporary evidence for the existence of John the Baptist than there is for Jesus. IE none

However it's sometimes interesting to see the minds of apologists at work.

No argument - it’s all bunk. I was simply pointing out how Christians came to arrive at that bunk.

Boru

(December 11, 2021 at 6:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 11, 2021 at 6:12 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote:  Interesting stuff.  Of course of limited use because the New Testament is myth rather than a history book. As far as I'm aware there's the same amount of contemporary evidence for the existence of John the Baptist than there is for Jesus. IE none

However it's sometimes interesting to see the minds of apologists at work.

No argument - it’s all bunk. I was simply pointing out how Christians came to arrive at that bunk.

Boru

 Indeed.

Over the centuries, there have been some brilliant minds working for the church and indirectly helping burn heretics:

Specifically. Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas.  With the passage of time, some pretty devious apologist specialists evolved. Specifically, The Dominicans and The Society Of Jesus (Jesuits)

In my opinion, it has always been a mistake to characterise believers as stupid or crazy. Many extremists seem so. However I've never had the impression here that "there's something wrong with" believers as a group.   With only 15% of the population, probably just as rational to make that claim about atheists.  

Because Australia is a secular society, religion is rarely discussed socially, or at work. It's usually just about impossible to tell to which personal superstitions a person subscribes from what they say or what they do.

I heard "last Christmas" by Wham! for the first time this Christmas.

Still a good song.

Though I'd like someone to play "Stop the Cavalry" by Jonah Louie(sp?) once in a while!

(December 13, 2021 at 6:56 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: I heard "last Christmas" by Wham! for the first time this Christmas.

Still a good song.

Though I'd like someone to play "Stop the Cavalry" by Jonah Louie(sp?) once in a while!

I heard both yesterday... still crap!

(December 13, 2021 at 7:20 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote:

(December 13, 2021 at 6:56 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: I heard "last Christmas" by Wham! for the first time this Christmas.

Still a good song.

Though I'd like someone to play "Stop the Cavalry" by Jonah Louie(sp?) once in a while!

I heard both yesterday... still crap!

This is why beholders should be culled.