(January 10, 2022 at 10:51 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(January 10, 2022 at 10:49 am)WinterHold Wrote: You were an American soldier, who served in the massacre of Iraq, but you come lecture me about "human rights" ? 
Buddy..the Quran says hand of thieves should be cut, but your constitution says that "heads of America's enemies" should be nuked  
Keep impressing me.

Please quote that line in the constitution.

Quote:the button, the black box, or just the football) is a briefcase, the contents of which are to be used by the President of the United States to authorize a nuclear attack while away from fixed command centers, such as the White House Situation Room or the Presidential Emergency Operations Center. It functions as a mobile hub in the strategic defense system of the United States. It is held by an .

Quote:According to a 2005 Washington Post article, the president is always accompanied by a military aide carrying a "football" with launch codes for nuclear weapons.[4] A separate 2005 article described the football as a metal Zero Halliburton briefcase.[5] Another 2005 article described the football as a leather briefcase weighing about 45 pounds (20 kg), and included a photo of an aide carrying such a case.[3] A small antenna protrudes from the bag near the handle, suggesting that it also contains communications equipment of some kind.[3]

(January 10, 2022 at 11:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 10, 2022 at 10:49 am)WinterHold Wrote: You were an American soldier, who served in the massacre of Iraq, but you come lecture me about "human rights" ? 
Buddy..the Quran says hand of thieves should be cut, but your constitution says that "heads of America's enemies" should be nuked  
Keep impressing me.

Even if the US Constitution did say that (it doesn’t), so what? It’s a fallible document written by fallible men, and makes no claim to being the word of God.

The Quran, on the other hand (pun intended) is claimed to be the divine revelation of an infallible being, and this is where we find the go-ahead to mutilate criminals.

The sad bit is that you don’t - and never will - see the problem with this.

Boru

(January 10, 2022 at 11:17 am)Ranjr Wrote:

(January 10, 2022 at 6:29 am)WinterHold Wrote: Islam is not "God trying to win a battle"; it is God "teaching humans how to win in the afterlife".

God already has everything under his control; life is supposed to be like this: it is supposed to a place where the good humans battle the evil ones, over and over until judgement day comes.
Mutilating thieves is God's solution to humans to stop and prevent theft so we may live peacefully, "we" humans; not God. 

The people who claim to be "Muslims" -like me or like Arabs or like any person claiming to be a Muslim- are not necessarily Muslims. Talk is cheap and it's not evidence on anything to honest.

In one sentence you say God isn't trying to win a battle.  Then you say that a life of good people battling evil ones is preparation for the afterlife.  Sounds like God does not have things under control and needs people to do his dirty work.

Quote:Sura 91, The Quran:
https://quran.com/91:8?store=false&translations=

(7) By the(inner) self and He Who formed it
(8) then inspired it its own wickedness and its own mindfulness(of God) —
(9) surely, successful is the one who has purified it,
(10) and surely, failing is the one who has stunted it.

— Fadel Soliman, Bridges’ translation

(January 10, 2022 at 10:49 am)WinterHold Wrote: your constitution says that "heads of America's enemies" should be nuked  

(January 10, 2022 at 10:51 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Please quote that line in the constitution.

(January 12, 2022 at 2:15 pm)WinterHold Wrote: You don't need a line in a constitution

(January 12, 2022 at 2:15 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(January 10, 2022 at 10:51 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Please quote that line in the constitution.

lol, your president holds the destruction of the world in his hand and can use it whenever he wants:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

Quote:the button, the black box, or just the football) is a briefcase, the contents of which are to be used by the President of the United States to authorize a nuclear attack while away from fixed command centers, such as the White House Situation Room or the Presidential Emergency Operations Center. It functions as a mobile hub in the strategic defense system of the United States. It is held by an .

Actually, it was proven that your presidents did "use" this bag against Japan back in 1945, also we saw Trump getting near from using it against Iran in 2020.

You don't need a line in a constitution, yet you need an evil American president to unleash this hell on humanity:

Quote:According to a 2005 Washington Post article, the president is always accompanied by a military aide carrying a "football" with launch codes for nuclear weapons.[4] A separate 2005 article described the football as a metal Zero Halliburton briefcase.[5] Another 2005 article described the football as a leather briefcase weighing about 45 pounds (20 kg), and included a photo of an aide carrying such a case.[3] A small antenna protrudes from the bag near the handle, suggesting that it also contains communications equipment of some kind.[3]

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football#cite_note-usatoday-3][/url]

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(January 10, 2022 at 11:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Even if the US Constitution did say that (it doesn’t), so what? It’s a fallible document written by fallible men, and makes no claim to being the word of God.

The Quran, on the other hand (pun intended) is claimed to be the divine revelation of an infallible being, and this is where we find the go-ahead to mutilate criminals.

The sad bit is that you don’t - and never will - see the problem with this.

Boru

Let me shake you so you read what you wrote again:

You are comparing a WMD way stronger than the nukes of 1945, to the Quran?

Or let me rephrase; in other words: you are comparing the destruction America caused to Japan in 1945, to the Quran?

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(January 10, 2022 at 11:17 am)Ranjr Wrote: In one sentence you say God isn't trying to win a battle.  Then you say that a life of good people battling evil ones is preparation for the afterlife.  Sounds like God does not have things under control and needs people to do his dirty work.

He does; he is also the creator of evil people, or to be precise the creator of evil itself.
Of like he says it in the Quran:

Quote:Sura 91, The Quran:
https://quran.com/91:8?store=false&translations=

(7) By the(inner) self and He Who formed it
(8) then inspired it its own wickedness and its own mindfulness(of God) —
(9) surely, successful is the one who has purified it,
(10) and surely, failing is the one who has stunted it.

— Fadel Soliman, Bridges’ translation

He is the creator of both good and evil, both mercy and anger, both pain and relief.

(January 10, 2022 at 12:23 pm)Astreja Wrote: It's quite a pleasure having Winter on ignore.  I think I'll keep things that way - much less pain from eye-rolling.

(January 12, 2022 at 2:39 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I was just pointing at the country that built a large part of Canada (i.e France) having the skulls of my brothers & sisters in museums for tourists to watch.

Quote:our loss, Astreja. I was just pointing at the country that built a large part of Canada (i.e France) 

Quote:having the skulls of my brothers & sisters in museums for tourists to watch.

Quote:Ironically it was the same country that invented the first ever beheading machine in human history:

(January 12, 2022 at 2:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 12, 2022 at 2:15 pm)WinterHold Wrote: lol, your president holds the destruction of the world in his hand and can use it whenever he wants:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football


Actually, it was proven that your presidents did "use" this bag against Japan back in 1945, also we saw Trump getting near from using it against Iran in 2020.

You don't need a line in a constitution, yet you need an evil American president to unleash this hell on humanity:


[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football#cite_note-usatoday-3][/url]

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Let me shake you so you read what you wrote again:

You are comparing a WMD way stronger than the nukes of 1945, to the Quran?

Or let me rephrase; in other words: you are comparing the destruction America caused to Japan in 1945, to the Quran?

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He does; he is also the creator of evil people, or to be precise the creator of evil itself.
Of like he says it in the Quran:



He is the creator of both good and evil, both mercy and anger, both pain and relief.

No, I’m trying to get you to understand that the legal and ethical guides in the American Constitution are fallible (this is an ‘everybody knows’ thing).

If the Quran really, truly is the word of God it isn’t) then its moral and ethical guides should be perfect and beyond reproach. Since they aren’t, it is therefore a mistake for YOU to compare the two.

Unless, of course, you wish to concede that the Quran, like the US Constitution, is nothing more that a fallible document written by fallible humans. 

Boru

Quote:Sura 18, The Quran:
https://quran.com/18:7?store=false&translations=

(7) Indeed, We have made whatever is on earth as an ornament for it, to test them as to which of them excels in work.

— Fadel Soliman, Bridges’ translation

Quote:What you ask for is impossible, because human brains will always produce different behaviours; many thieves will never be caught, many murderers will escape, and if they were caught they can lie and get away with their deed,

Even so called "believers"; they can "fake" believing to gain revenue, they can "use" the Quran to do evil. The problem isn't the Quran: the problem is the human mind. You can never control it or expect its actions; actually the Quran stated this fact here:

Quote:It's all a test, and it should be like this: a test with each individual having a closed box of data called "the brain".

That's what's keeping the world as it is, each individual thinking their constitution is supreme.

(January 12, 2022 at 2:39 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(January 10, 2022 at 12:23 pm)Astreja Wrote: It's quite a pleasure having Winter on ignore.  I think I'll keep things that way - much less pain from eye-rolling.

Your loss, Astreja. I was just pointing at the country that built a large part of Canada (i.e France) having the skulls of my brothers & sisters in museums for tourists to watch.
Ironically it was the same country that invented the first ever beheading machine in human history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine