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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
January 13, 2022 at 8:39 pm
(January 13, 2022 at 8:29 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (January 13, 2022 at 3:56 pm)Ranjr Wrote: The Quran is a book written by people long ago giving their ill-informed opinions. You have a misunderstanding of the word "fact."
War in the Middle East is a result of your hateful, war-mongering religion.
People in Arabia were fighting each other and butchering each other long, long before Islam came:
Way long before.
The video is made by a non Muslim, western scholar.
Fairly sure Ranjr was referring to current conflicts in the Middle East. No one’s claiming Muslims invented war, ffs.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
January 13, 2022 at 8:51 pm
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Quote:People in Arabia were fighting each other and butchering each other long, long before Islam came:
He clearly means modern conflicts 
Quote:Revise this post to know why I'm "discussing countries and nations like the vikings and the west":
You proved you know nothing about the Vikings
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
January 14, 2022 at 2:02 am
(January 13, 2022 at 8:51 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:People in Arabia were fighting each other and butchering each other long, long before Islam came:
He clearly means modern conflicts
Quote:Revise this post to know why I'm "discussing countries and nations like the vikings and the west":
You proved you know nothing about the Vikings
An odd thing. The Vikings were not only never a nation per se, their trading network was far larger than anything the arabs ever came up with
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
January 14, 2022 at 4:42 am
(January 13, 2022 at 8:29 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (January 13, 2022 at 3:56 pm)Ranjr Wrote: The Quran is a book written by people long ago giving their ill-informed opinions. You have a misunderstanding of the word "fact."
War in the Middle East is a result of your hateful, war-mongering religion.
People in Arabia were fighting each other and butchering each other long, long before Islam came: ....and your almighty god wasnt able to change it, for the past 1500 years?
What a shitty track record.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
January 14, 2022 at 8:10 am
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(January 13, 2022 at 3:51 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (January 13, 2022 at 1:54 am)Ranjr Wrote: It's a crazy idea, I know, but I'm gonna throw it out anyway: what may have been effective policy a millennium ago, is less effective now and shows to be adverse. That may be why followers of Islam are at war with each other and any outsider with the sense to tell them they're nuts.
Seriously. Step out of the dark age. Catch up on things like vocabulary and pluralistic harmony.
The Quran states absolute facts and requires its followers to believe in it: facts like (murderer should be killed-thieve should have his hand cut...etc).
These absolute facts of the faith are not the cause of war in the Middle East, actually the cause is fighting between "warlords-military dictators...etc" over resources and money.
Blaming Islam instead is an obvious -excuse me- ignorance & hypocrisy.
Why do you think the west abandoned so much of what is contained in your magic book - facts of a faith - in favor of a commitment to human rights, spotty as it may be? Out of the goodness and kindness of our (apparently viking) hearts? I doubt it.
Maybe....... because human rights abuse..and especially by a governing authority.....causes the misery and unrest that fuels internecine conflict. It's not as if we didn't also do the chopping of hands thing for quite some time. It just didn't work, and made things worse in the process. Let's suppose for a moment that the Real God Really Said what's in your magic book, these facts of faith as you describe them.
What does it say about a god who demands human maladministration, and who gives a shit whether some god demands that we govern ourselves poorly and cruelly?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
January 14, 2022 at 9:42 am
(January 14, 2022 at 4:42 am)Deesse23 Wrote: (January 13, 2022 at 8:29 pm)WinterHold Wrote: People in Arabia were fighting each other and butchering each other long, long before Islam came: ....and your almighty god wasnt able to change it, for the past 1500 years?
What a shitty track record.
Islam not only didn't change the barbarity, it prevents progress toward better lives for all people in the Middle East. It keeps them entrenched in the violent past.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
January 14, 2022 at 7:29 pm
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(January 13, 2022 at 8:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (January 13, 2022 at 8:29 pm)WinterHold Wrote: People in Arabia were fighting each other and butchering each other long, long before Islam came:
Way long before.
The video is made by a non Muslim, western scholar.
Fairly sure Ranjr was referring to current conflicts in the Middle East. No one’s claiming Muslims invented war, ffs.
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He didn't refer to the past, what he said was:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-63329-p...pid2084501
Quote:The Quran is a book written by people long ago giving their ill-informed opinions. You have a misunderstanding of the word "fact."
War in the Middle East is a result of your hateful, war-mongering religion.
I repeat again to Ranjr and everybody else: war in the Middle East is not due to Islam, it was always due to warlords fighting for gains.
The situation was even worse before the advent of Islam; that's a given. It was a battle royale and a very crude, savage environment.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
January 14, 2022 at 7:32 pm
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Lol, i modern times it absolutely is the cause 
If these countries weren't Islamic they would be as peaceful as modern Sweden
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
January 14, 2022 at 7:39 pm
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(January 14, 2022 at 9:42 am)Ranjr Wrote: (January 14, 2022 at 4:42 am)Deesse23 Wrote: ....and your almighty god wasnt able to change it, for the past 1500 years?
What a shitty track record.
Islam not only didn't change the barbarity, it prevents progress toward better lives for all people in the Middle East. It keeps them entrenched in the violent past.
We did have our progress and even built the strongest, most prosperous empire of the medieval world. Its capital was Baghdad, and believe it or not, everything modern people do today was spread there; even drinking coffee regularly and having huge universities.
Our golden age met its end at the hands of the Mongols:
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false
January 14, 2022 at 7:41 pm
You built a bunch of empires founded on sand and the golden age was a blip based on stolen idea's
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