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RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 2:46 pm
(January 22, 2022 at 1:01 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Well there are different types of evidence. The evidence of a believer is faith-based evidence, meaning it's not empirical evidence, but still a valid form of evidence.
I don't "do" religious faith. At all. My brain simply doesn't permit it to happen. To me, "faith" and "evidence" do not belong in the same sentence, and all faith-based claims are rejected as utterly worthless to me.
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RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 2:59 pm
(January 24, 2022 at 2:46 pm)Astreja Wrote: (January 22, 2022 at 1:01 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Well there are different types of evidence. The evidence of a believer is faith-based evidence, meaning it's not empirical evidence, but still a valid form of evidence.
I don't "do" religious faith. At all. My brain simply doesn't permit it to happen. To me, "faith" and "evidence" do not belong in the same sentence, and all faith-based claims are rejected as utterly worthless to me. Has it always been that way for you, your whole life?
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RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 4:08 pm
(January 24, 2022 at 2:59 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (January 24, 2022 at 2:46 pm)Astreja Wrote: I don't "do" religious faith. At all. My brain simply doesn't permit it to happen. To me, "faith" and "evidence" do not belong in the same sentence, and all faith-based claims are rejected as utterly worthless to me. Has it always been that way for you, your whole life?
Yes, it has. I've never been able to uncritically accept a supernatural claim - my brain automatically tags it with "Yeah, right..."
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RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 4:18 pm
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(January 24, 2022 at 4:08 pm)Astreja Wrote: (January 24, 2022 at 2:59 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Has it always been that way for you, your whole life?
Yes, it has. I've never been able to uncritically accept a supernatural claim - my brain automatically tags it with "Yeah, right..." Do you think this makes you better than people who believe in the supernatural?
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RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 4:24 pm
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(January 24, 2022 at 4:18 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (January 24, 2022 at 4:08 pm)Astreja Wrote: Yes, it has. I've never been able to uncritically accept a supernatural claim - my brain automatically tags it with "Yeah, right..." Do you think this makes you better than people who believe in the supernatural?
Attempt at poisoning the well noted.
What I believe about myself has nothing to do with this.
What I believe about religion -- or rather, what I simply cannot believe -- is where the rubber hits the road. Religion is a non-starter for me, and has been since I read the Bible in the early 1960s. It just isn't believable to me, and I refuse to lie to myself by pretending to believe.
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RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 4:30 pm
(January 24, 2022 at 4:24 pm)Astreja Wrote: (January 24, 2022 at 4:18 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Do you think this makes you better than people who believe in the supernatural?
Attempt at poisoning the well noted.
What I believe about myself has nothing to do with this.
What I believe about religion -- or rather, what I simply cannot believe -- is where the rubber hits the road. Religion is a non-starter for me, and has been since I read the Bible in the early 1960s. It just isn't believable to me, and I refuse to lie to myself by pretending to believe. Would you worship a human if you thought he/she was really awesome?
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RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 4:33 pm
(January 24, 2022 at 4:30 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Would you worship a human if you thought he/she was really awesome?
Nope. The very idea of worship is baffling to me. Why? Why would someone want to worship, well, anything?
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RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 4:40 pm
That's the second hurdle that successful indoctrination has to overcome. You have to be convinced that there's a there, there...but you also have to be compelled to do something about it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 4:40 pm
(January 24, 2022 at 4:33 pm)Astreja Wrote: (January 24, 2022 at 4:30 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Would you worship a human if you thought he/she was really awesome?
Nope. The very idea of worship is baffling to me. Why? Why would someone want to worship, well, anything? It's a willing act of submission (or not so willing, depending on the context) that earns you good boy/girl points, either with the government (in case of a theocracy) or just with the object of worship itself.
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RE: Indoctrination
January 24, 2022 at 4:43 pm
Is there a store where you get to spend them? Do the prices compare favorably to the counter at chuck e cheese?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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