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RE: Indoctrination
January 23, 2022 at 1:25 am
(January 22, 2022 at 6:26 pm)Ahriman Wrote: If a person's brain patterns show that they are having a supernatural experience, then you know what, they are having a supernatural experience. It's all in the mind.
There doesn't need to be anything "supernatural" in order for that to happen, though. By stimulating the brain with a functional MRI (fMRI) machine, neuroscientists can cause the brain to create a mental effect that the patient perceives as a religious experience.
It's entirely possible that the brain has always created its own religious phenomena, and that gods have always been a naturally-occurring illusion.
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RE: Indoctrination
January 23, 2022 at 7:28 am
(January 23, 2022 at 1:25 am)Astreja Wrote: (January 22, 2022 at 6:26 pm)Ahriman Wrote: If a person's brain patterns show that they are having a supernatural experience, then you know what, they are having a supernatural experience. It's all in the mind.
There doesn't need to be anything "supernatural" in order for that to happen, though. By stimulating the brain with a functional MRI (fMRI) machine, neuroscientists can cause the brain to create a mental effect that the patient perceives as a religious experience.
It's entirely possible that the brain has always created its own religious phenomena, and that gods have always been a naturally-occurring illusion.
NDEs can also be elicited.
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RE: Indoctrination
January 23, 2022 at 8:02 am
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2022 at 8:03 am by Ahriman.)
(January 23, 2022 at 1:25 am)Astreja Wrote: (January 22, 2022 at 6:26 pm)Ahriman Wrote: If a person's brain patterns show that they are having a supernatural experience, then you know what, they are having a supernatural experience. It's all in the mind.
There doesn't need to be anything "supernatural" in order for that to happen, though. By stimulating the brain with a functional MRI (fMRI) machine, neuroscientists can cause the brain to create a mental effect that the patient perceives as a religious experience.
It's entirely possible that the brain has always created its own religious phenomena, and that gods have always been a naturally-occurring illusion. Okay but does this explain how people who attend AA groups put their faith in a higher power of their choosing and it works out for them? The higher power is of their own choosing, it's not some pre-fabricated archetypal god such as Jesus, Vishnu, Odin etc.
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RE: Indoctrination
January 23, 2022 at 9:47 am
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(January 23, 2022 at 8:02 am)Ahriman Wrote: (January 23, 2022 at 1:25 am)Astreja Wrote: There doesn't need to be anything "supernatural" in order for that to happen, though. By stimulating the brain with a functional MRI (fMRI) machine, neuroscientists can cause the brain to create a mental effect that the patient perceives as a religious experience.
It's entirely possible that the brain has always created its own religious phenomena, and that gods have always been a naturally-occurring illusion. Okay but does this explain how people who attend AA groups put their faith in a higher power of their choosing and it works out for them? The higher power is of their own choosing, it's not some pre-fabricated archetypal god such as Jesus, Vishnu, Odin etc.
That's an example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
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RE: Indoctrination
January 23, 2022 at 9:52 am
(January 23, 2022 at 9:47 am)Angrboda Wrote: (January 23, 2022 at 8:02 am)Ahriman Wrote: Okay but does this explain how people who attend AA groups put their faith in a higher power of their choosing and it works out for them? The higher power is of their own choosing, it's not some pre-fabricated archetypal god such as Jesus, Vishnu, Odin etc.
That's an example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. I have no idea what that's supposed to be.
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RE: Indoctrination
January 23, 2022 at 11:13 am
(January 23, 2022 at 9:52 am)Ahriman Wrote: (January 23, 2022 at 9:47 am)Angrboda Wrote: That's an example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. I have no idea what that's supposed to be.
https://lmgtfy.app/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=post...%20fallacy
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RE: Indoctrination
January 23, 2022 at 11:39 am
(January 23, 2022 at 11:13 am)Angrboda Wrote: (January 23, 2022 at 9:52 am)Ahriman Wrote: I have no idea what that's supposed to be.
https://lmgtfy.app/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=post...%20fallacy You can't prove that fallacy is applicable in all cases. To claim it is, would be overly pessimistic, I think.
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RE: Indoctrination
January 23, 2022 at 12:25 pm
Case in point, you think that choosing some higher power works- never mind the fact that AA doesn’t actually work…you think it does, and this constitutes evidence of something.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Indoctrination
January 23, 2022 at 1:16 pm
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(January 23, 2022 at 9:52 am)Ahriman Wrote: (January 23, 2022 at 9:47 am)Angrboda Wrote: That's an example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
I have no idea what that's supposed to be.
...and, that in a nutshell, explains why you lack critical thinking skills, and have such muddled thinking.
Not that you don't know what that means, but you seem to have no intellectual curiosity to find out on your own.
None of us were born knowing the meaning all fallacy terms. But when someone points out to us why one our conclusions or beliefs is based on invalid or unsound logic (fallacious and irrational), we care enough to find out why. And more importantly, to correct our fallacious reasoning.
Did you even think to learn the meaning of 'post hoc ergo propter hoc'? I am willing to bet, no.
No intellectual curiosity. You don't care if your beliefs are true or not.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Indoctrination
January 23, 2022 at 1:23 pm
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2022 at 1:50 pm by Ahriman.)
I don't care if my beliefs are true or not, just because I don't care what some Latin phrase means?
Also, true according to whom? You?
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