(March 3, 2022 at 12:48 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Okay, well we can safely say that MY parents creating ME and then treating me the way they treated me, was an ethical failure.

Everyone's parents fuck up, dude. Mine did. The human brain's prime development stage is age 0 to 9, and there are a whole lot of ways you can fuck up a developing brain. Once you understand your traumas and how they make you who you are today, you can begin to change those things. But you being born isn't the issue here...

I will never be grateful for being brought into such a terrible world.

I'd tell you to make it better, but I think we already know your position on doing anything or accepting any responsibility yourself. You have no coherent ethical position, and even if you did, no ground from which to lob ethical grenades - having burnt either possibility to the dirt by your own hand.

You're only telling us that you are, in addition to a number of other dogshit things, studiously incapable of and completely unwilling to express or feel any gratitude.

(March 3, 2022 at 1:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'd tell you to make it better, but I think we already know your position on doing anything or accepting any responsibility yourself.

What a useless statement lmao

Make it better? You mean like polishing a turd?

(March 3, 2022 at 12:59 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I will never be grateful for being brought into such a terrible world.

Such is the result of having sex; don't be resentful.

(March 3, 2022 at 1:43 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 3, 2022 at 12:59 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I will never be grateful for being brought into such a terrible world.

Such is the result of having sex; don't be resentful.

That's why I only have sex with other men. 

(March 3, 2022 at 1:03 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(March 3, 2022 at 1:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'd tell you to make it better, but I think we already know your position on doing anything or accepting any responsibility yourself.

What a useless statement lmao

Agreed, particularly given the recipient - but you never know.  As soon as we posit that there's some ethical obligation to children vis-a-vis the relative terribleness of the world (vague and unspecified as it is), we've asserted that any moral agent capable of influencing that situation is responsible, in some sense, for it.  This wouldn't start and stop with parents and be a one sided demand that the world be better -for us- by the labor of others.  

Now, if we don't believe in such a responsibility or in the mere possibility of improvement, it makes no sense - granted... but we've foreclosed on that objection by asserting such an obligation in the first place.

(March 3, 2022 at 1:51 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(March 3, 2022 at 1:03 pm)Aegon Wrote: What a useless statement lmao

Agreed, particularly given the recipient - but you never know.  As soon as we posit that there's some ethical obligation to children vis-a-vis the relative terribleness of the world (vague and unspecified as it is), we've asserted that any moral agent capable of influencing that situation is responsible, in some sense, for it.  This wouldn't start and stop with parents and be a one sided demand that the world be better -for us- by the labor of others.  

Now, if we don't believe in such a responsibility or in the mere possibility of improvement, it makes no sense - granted... but we've foreclosed on that objection by asserting such an obligation in the first place.

I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say. Speak in simple terms.

If your parents or anyone else have a moral obligation to influence circumstances in such a way that it's better™ for..say, you to live, you also possess that same moral obligation. If you choose to deny as much, you've entirely freed the other moral agent from your own asserted requirements. If you don't believe that it's even possible for anyone to make it better for....say, you to live, then they cannot possibly be responsible as moral agents for what they cannot do, for what they cannot influence.

In the end, depending on how shitty your life is in reality, which you're never going to honestly comment on here, there may be no cause for gratitude in having been born, but you haven't presented any cause for moral condemnation of your parents, even, just them..on account of your birth - and appear to fundamentally reject even your own shoddy position on the matter of ethics and procreation.

If there's something you don't understand, google it, or buy a dictionary. That's on you too.