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Ahriman · March 3, 2022 at 2:05 pm

(Correct me if I'm wrong), but what it sounds like you're saying, is that I should have kids of my own and strive to make their lives better? Or something similar to that? Well if that's the case, I really don't have a "moral obligation" to do that, especially not when it comes to having kids of my own, because they (the kids) don't need to exist in the first place.

**Aegon** · March 3, 2022 at 2:05 pm

(March 3, 2022 at 1:51 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(March 3, 2022 at 1:03 pm)Aegon Wrote: What a useless statement lmao

Agreed, particularly given the recipient - but you never know. As soon as we posit that there's some ethical obligation to children vis-a-vis the relative terribleness of the world (vague and unspecified as it is), we've asserted that any moral agent capable of influencing that situation is responsible, in some sense, for it. This wouldn't start and stop with parents and be a one sided demand that the world be better -for us- by the labor of others.

Now, if we don't believe in such a responsibility or in the mere possibility of improvement, it makes no sense - granted... but we've foreclosed on that objection by asserting such an obligation in the first place.

No man, I mean that when someone is in a depressive loop, their brain is feeding them certain thoughts. Telling them "just take responsibility of your life and make it better" is a useless statement because what is that going to do for them? Do you think their mind is really going to go: "Oh gee, he's right! I will make my life better! How simple!"

Forget the whole "is it ethical to have kids" shtick, the kid is just depressed. This isn't an actual philosophical convo, dude just needs mental health services.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: March 3, 2022 at 2:13 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

Dude is a troll, see above. I appreciate that you're going soft touch, but it takes a village. The thread is (ostensibly) about ethics, not his angsty teenage life or his grudge with a mommy and daddy who held him too much or too little.

He wrote a check, he couldn't cash it, and embarrassed himself (and his parents, I'd say) in the process. What am I missing? That he's really sad? All still true, just add "and he's really sad" to the end. Maybe find a support group (also his responsibility) rather than pester us with bullshit about the ethical failure of parents on account of having kids? Jerkoff

Ahriman · March 3, 2022 at 2:14 pm

Here's a very simple example for why life is not good, i.e. why life is fundamentally bad. If I have a bad life, and someone else has a comparatively good life, where's the fairness in that? Did I just not "work hard enough" to deserve a good life? Why doesn't everyone have a good life, if life is fundamentally good? Why do people get depressed, or angry, or tortured to death, if life is good?

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: March 3, 2022 at 2:21 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

Does it mean you didn't work hard enough? Not always, but it's probably a good idea to do something to zero out that possibility. I'd wager that you're probably not a good example of a person who just had it shitty even though they worked hard at it. It's a longshot that anyone here on these boards is the best case for that. Go to an active conflict zone. Visit a slum.

As far as why life is unfair? Probably has something to do with the fact that no moral agent, competent or otherwise, was involved in the creation of the fundamental circumstances which make it so, and no amount of moral agency is capable of changing a great many of those things.

You're going to need more...a hell of alot more..... than "life is unfair" to levy an ethical complaint against your parents or anyone else.

Ahriman · March 3, 2022 at 2:31 pm

I know my perspective is something most people wouldn't easily understand, as it's effectively beyond most people's comprehension. I am one of the only people on this planet who knows the truth, or rather, knows the truth well enough to defend it. Most people won't defend the truth, which is why I have written them off as cowards.

GrandizerII · March 3, 2022 at 2:33 pm

(March 3, 2022 at 2:31 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I know my perspective is something most people wouldn't easily understand, as it's effectively beyond most people's comprehension. I am one of the only people on this planet who knows the truth, or rather, knows the truth well enough to defend it. Most people won't defend the truth, which is why I have written them off as cowards.

You do realize there is a movement out there advocating for the same view you're arguing for here, right?

Ahriman · March 3, 2022 at 2:34 pm

(March 3, 2022 at 2:33 pm)GrandizerII Wrote:
(March 3, 2022 at 2:31 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I know my perspective is something most people wouldn't easily understand, as it's effectively beyond most people's comprehension. I am one of the only people on this planet who knows the truth, or rather, knows the truth well enough to defend it. Most people won't defend the truth, which is why I have written them off as cowards.

You do realize there is a movement out there advocating for the same view you're arguing for here, right?

Name it.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: March 3, 2022 at 2:35 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

Understand it fine, I'm just pointing out where it fails to make it's case, and when it succeeds in arguing against itself. Now you're insisting that anyone who doesn't share your miserable view only rejects it due to cowardice - another ethical judgement resolving to virtue (or, here, it's lack).

Care to show your work?

GrandizerII · March 3, 2022 at 2:51 pm

(March 3, 2022 at 2:34 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(March 3, 2022 at 2:33 pm)GrandizerII Wrote: You do realize there is a movement out there advocating for the same view you're arguing for here, right?
Name it.

Ok, sure, here's the Wiki link on antina...

Nah, on second thought, you're a very special person with a very unique view that no one has ever thought of before, please ignore.

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