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Angrboda · March 11, 2022 at 8:50 am

Money is basically instrumental utility. If you don't care about instrumental utility then you are an idiot. What is more reasonable is not caring too much about money, or only about money.

Ahriman · (This post was last modified: March 11, 2022 at 9:07 am by Ahriman.)

My dad offered me $20 to rake leaves in his yard. 20 dollars. Right. Offer me $2,000 and I would've done it.

Belacqua · March 11, 2022 at 9:18 am

(March 11, 2022 at 9:06 am)Ahriman Wrote: My dad offered me $20 to rake leaves in his yard. 20 dollars. Right. Offer me $2,000 and I would've done it.

(Doing it out of love for your father might be even better.)

There's a lovely image repeated twice in the Old Testament, which they use as a symbol of a peaceful and prosperous country.

"Each man sat under his own vine and his own fig tree."

It gets interpreted different ways (as everything in the Bible does), but to me it indicates:

1) to achieve peace, each person has to have his own sufficient plot of land,

2) when people are well-adjusted, they will be satisfied with a sufficient plot of land and won't fight for more than they need, and

3) sitting outside peacefully is the goal, the thing toward which peace and prosperity (and spinning and toiling) aim.

Angrboda · March 11, 2022 at 9:23 am

(March 11, 2022 at 9:18 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(March 11, 2022 at 9:06 am)Ahriman Wrote: My dad offered me $20 to rake leaves in his yard. 20 dollars. Right. Offer me $2,000 and I would've done it.

(Doing it out of love for your father might be even better.)

There's a lovely image repeated twice in the Old Testament, which they use as a symbol of a peaceful and prosperous country.

"Each man sat under his own vine and his own fig tree."

It gets interpreted different ways (as everything in the Bible does), but to me it indicates:

1) to achieve peace, each person has to have his own sufficient plot of land,

2) when people are well-adjusted, they will be satisfied with a sufficient plot of land and won't fight for more than they need, and

3) sitting outside peacefully is the goal, the thing toward which peace and prosperity (and spinning and toiling) aim.

Not exalting the gifted prevents quarreling.
Not collecting treasures prevents stealing.
Not seeing desirable things prevents confusion of the heart.

The wise therefore rule by emptying hearts and stuffing bellies, by weakening ambitions and strengthening bones.
If men lack knowledge and desire, then clever people will not try to interfere.
If nothing is done, then all will be well.

Laozi, Ch. 3

Ahriman · March 11, 2022 at 9:43 am

You look at Jada Stevens and try to tell me there's no God.

**BrianSoddingBoru4** · March 11, 2022 at 9:46 am

(March 11, 2022 at 9:06 am)Ahriman Wrote: My dad offered me $20 to rake leaves in his yard. 20 dollars. Right. Offer me $2,000 and I would've done it.

This reminds me of a scene from The Sopranos (if you haven’t seen it, I have all the more reason to pity you).

Tony and Carmela have separated and teenaged AJ is staying with his dad. At breakfast, AJ is complaining about the breakfast cereal Tony bought him. Tony calmly picks up AJ’s bowl, pours it down the sink, smiles and says, ‘Now you got nuthin.’

Boru

**BrianSoddingBoru4** · March 11, 2022 at 9:48 am

(March 11, 2022 at 9:43 am)Ahriman Wrote: You look at Jada Stevens and try to tell me there's no God.

I looked her up. God can do better.

Boru

Ahriman · March 11, 2022 at 9:49 am

(March 11, 2022 at 9:46 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(March 11, 2022 at 9:06 am)Ahriman Wrote: My dad offered me $20 to rake leaves in his yard. 20 dollars. Right. Offer me $2,000 and I would've done it.

This reminds me of a scene from The Sopranos (if you haven’t seen it, I have all the more reason to pity you).

Tony and Carmela have separated and teenaged AJ is staying with his dad. At breakfast, AJ is complaining about the breakfast cereal Tony bought him. Tony calmly picks up AJ’s bowl, pours it down the sink, smiles and says, ‘Now you got nuthin.’

Boru

$20 will buy three packs of cigarettes. Oh boy, I'm really a big spender now.

**The Valkyrie** · March 11, 2022 at 9:55 am

(March 11, 2022 at 9:43 am)Ahriman Wrote: You look at Jada Stevens and try to tell me there's no God.

There's no god.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: March 11, 2022 at 10:06 am by The Grand Nudger.)

(March 11, 2022 at 9:06 am)Ahriman Wrote: My dad offered me $20 to rake leaves in his yard. 20 dollars. Right. Offer me $2,000 and I would've done it.

That'd be good work if you could get it - at 2k, there'd have to be a hell of alot of leaves. You probably could find someone with 2k worth of leaves to rake if that's your kink.

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