(April 5, 2022 at 1:19 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: I don't know the details of the study, but I wonder if the correlation doesn't go the other way. (ie. bigoted and narrow-minded people don't like to do much studying, and therefore aren't familiar enough with the facts to realize how plausible a theory evolution is.)

I was briefly looking through the paper, and I think there is an interesting shift in terminology between what is measured and what is reported. For example, most of the questions that measure prejudice aren't as direct as it sounds.

Instead, they measured attitudes towards government assistance for minorities, attitudes towards affirmative action, attitudes towards immigration, etc. These include questions such as:

1. Do Blacks/Hispanics/Asians/Whites get proper government attention?
2. Should governments improve the conditions of Blacks?
3. Should governments favor preference in hiring Blacks?
4. Do Whites hurt by affirmative action?
5. Will immigrants affect national unity?
6. Should immigrants overcome bias without help?

There was only one section that really tackles prejudice in the way the word implies: General attitudes towards Blacks. Which included the following questions:

7: How close do you feel to Blacks?
8: Do Whites have a right to segregate their neighborhoods?
9. Do you feel sympathy towards Blacks?
10. And several on whether you think there are racial difference with regards to education, intelligence, motivation, and discrimination.

Here's an example of how they report the results: 

"Belief in human evolution was also associated with more support for affirmative action measures towards Blacks, β = .16" ... "and negatively associated with the belief that Blacks should overcome prejudice on their own, β = -.18."

In other words, once you see the way prejudice is being measured, I think it's easier to see they are not talking about out-right racist attitudes most of the time, but something more subtle. And I think it becomes easier to think of reasons why there is a relationship. For example, most universities are liberal, so you might expect that someone who attends is both taught evolution and is in favor of affirmative action.

Lol the first category is as about racism and prejudice  as the second, especially in the context of the United States

(April 6, 2022 at 10:33 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(April 6, 2022 at 10:26 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I have a good layman's understanding of the process of biological evolution, which is all that's needed to understand that the process itself doesn't 'think' and there's nothing magical about it. Are you just trolling? Because I'm having trouble believing you're really that ignorant and stupid. But just in case you're being sincere:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Evolution doesn't explain how monkeys became humans.

Dismissed as a worthless assertion and obvious trolling.

(April 7, 2022 at 10:01 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(April 6, 2022 at 10:33 am)Ahriman Wrote: Evolution doesn't explain how monkeys became humans.

Dismissed as a worthless assertion and obvious trolling.

Dismissed for being dismissive.

Well, in the spirit of the thread, and since you seem to be deadset on convincing us that you're an idiot. What do you think? Do you also find yourself in possession of what John might call those particular subtle somethings?

(April 7, 2022 at 10:20 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, in the spirit of the thread, and since you seem to be deadset on convincing us that you're an idiot.   What do you think?  Do you also find yourself in possession of what John might call those particular subtle somethings?

What are you even talking about.

(April 7, 2022 at 10:48 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(April 7, 2022 at 10:20 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, in the spirit of the thread, and since you seem to be deadset on convincing us that you're an idiot.   What do you think?  Do you also find yourself in possession of what John might call those particular subtle somethings?

What are you even talking about.

A question we often think when reading your posts.

(April 7, 2022 at 10:48 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(April 7, 2022 at 10:20 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, in the spirit of the thread, and since you seem to be deadset on convincing us that you're an idiot.   What do you think?  Do you also find yourself in possession of what John might call those particular subtle somethings?

What are you even talking about.

The subject of the thread and premise of the op, a conversation which you are (allegedly) engaged in and responding to.

You've indicated that you believe idiotic objections to nothing are a valid criticism of biology.  The study's authors suggest that those types of idiotic beliefs correlate to other types of idiotic beliefs.  Do you possess both sets of idiotic beliefs, or just the one set of idiotic beliefs?

I think it's fairly obvious to see why a race obsessed person might object to biology, and believe that idiotic things are valid criticism of biology, as they fundamentally reject that they are the same as some (or any) other ethnic creature. It's far more difficult to understand why a person who has no such ideological compulsion would posit the same - aside...ofc, from pure idiocy plain and simple. Somehow, that seems even worse, as it's not idiotic on purpose and it's not idiotic for effect.

(April 7, 2022 at 11:24 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(April 7, 2022 at 10:48 am)Ahriman Wrote: What are you even talking about.

The subject of the thread and premise of the op, a conversation which you are (allegedly) engaged in and responding to.  

You've indicated that you believe idiotic objections to nothing are a valid criticism of biology.  The study's authors suggest that those types of idiotic beliefs correlate to other types of idiotic beliefs.  Do you possess both sets of idiotic beliefs, or just the one set of idiotic beliefs?

Beliefs, shmaleefs. Biological evolution is not real, as evidenced by the fact that we never see anything evolve, and humans haven't evolved either. In fact, it can be said that human cognition is actually markedly less impressive now than it was 100 years ago, so what kind of "evolution" is that? Science posits a fatally optimistic view of human evolution that simply doesn't match up with observed reality. If human evolution is not real, it should make one question whether or not any kind of evolution is real, which of course it isn't.

We do see things evolve. You are not a copy of your mother, or your father. See, idiotic.