(November 26, 2011 at 4:38 pm)Chuck Wrote: If he lured you into it, it only shows your disgraceful lack of self-control utterly unbefitting of any modern military man. Both you and the version of your country's history shows the same lack of perspective, equanimity, and self-mastery, and indulges in the same rude, primitive, goat-fucker style of hollow steppe braggadocio.

That's like your own opinion man.
Besides, what I did was just to answer some unbased accusations on my country's behalf.

I believe the first post after yours was mine, kilic. I didn't lure you into this chest pounding nonsense. I remarked that your ideas on how people feel about your country are not necessarily correct. I am not into thinking of areas of land as "asses" and merely pointed that out. You are taking this too far. A genocide is genocide. I don't blame them for wanting to annihilate your country, if that is indeed how they feel.

(November 26, 2011 at 5:36 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(November 26, 2011 at 4:38 pm)Chuck Wrote: If he lured you into it, it only shows your disgraceful lack of self-control utterly unbefitting of any modern military man. Both you and the version of your country's history shows the same lack of perspective, equanimity, and self-mastery, and indulges in the same rude, primitive, goat-fucker style of hollow steppe braggadocio.

That's like your own opinion man.
Besides, what I did was just to answer some unbased accusations on my country's behalf.

Should he give your opinion instead?

(November 26, 2011 at 5:57 pm)Shell B Wrote: I believe the first post after yours was mine, kilic. I didn't lure you into this chest pounding nonsense. I remarked that your ideas on how people feel about your country are not necessarily correct. I am not into thinking of areas of land as "asses" and merely pointed that out. You are taking this too far. A genocide is genocide. I don't blame them for wanting to annihilate your country, if that is indeed how they feel.

Why have you then brough this up even though it was irrelevant?
Besides, I wasn't really pounding my chest.
I gave you the info that some people don't want you to hear.
And yes, they want to annihilate our country, and I personally laugh at their antics, seeing how they rage times over times in youtube comments...Really pitiful, but aside from that, the subject of this thread was not about any of the so-called genocide accusations, it was merely about how we were being used by our own politicians and foreign powers as proxies in middle eastern politics. This is why I said that we are the most popular ass of the middle east.

Quote:Should he give your opinion instead?

Well, I just said that it's his opinion, and it's different than mine.
I think that was obvious.

teasing u mehmet

(November 26, 2011 at 6:28 pm)5thHorseman Wrote: teasing u mehmet

:3

Mehmet, Germans and Japanese are very "proud" of being German or Japanese. One doesn't have to become willfully ignorant of the shortcomings and misdeeds of one's own country to be "proud". We dropped a nuclear fucking weapon and I still fly the flag. Proud is one thing. The rhetoric you consistently let fall from your mouth is not pride, it is bigoted ethnocentric nationalism, and it's disgusting. If you were representative of Turkey as a whole, I'd say their place in middle eastern politics should be non-existent. The middle east is already full up with that sort of nonsense. So you go ahead and laugh at the "antics" of a people who were nearly annihilated, and pine away for the day when you don't have to live with "non-turks" (whatever the fuck that means Mr. Melting Pot). As long as the total measure of your dreamland Turkey's power is your impotent bitching about "The West", I couldn't care less.

(November 26, 2011 at 7:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Mehmet, Germans and Japanese are very "proud" of being German or Japanese. One doesn't have to become willfully ignorant of the shortcomings and misdeeds of one's own country to be "proud". We dropped a nuclear fucking weapon and I still fly the flag.

I guess you are not really understanding what's going on in Germany, or in Japan. Contrary to the popular belief, no one really maintains the notion that only Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany were responsible for anything that was committed during those eras.
This is not something gets stuck to the specific periods of time, it gets stuck on you until the end of time. No wonder that people think of Nazis first when they hear of Germans rather than Ludwig Van or Bach, and of Hirohito when they think of the Japanese, instead of famous japanese figures such as Tokugawa...However no one knows Turkey with the names of Talat paşa, but all know the names of Atatürk, without actually attributing something negative to it-unless someone goes and attributes something negative to him.
The Germans and Japanese, being losers in a world war, were heavily punished for it, with the Germans having to suffer a second severe punishment after the brutal terms of the Treaty of Sevres.
The national pride and sense of belonging that the people of both Germany and Japan shared was destroyed. The peoples themselves were heavily blamed for everything that happened during the 3. Reich and İmperial Japan-after all, it was them who had elected Hitler, and it was them who have sacrificed themselves for the emperor Hirohito. Once again, the Germans were demonized, and they were openly declared to be a shameful people, that had to pay all they had in reparations to both allied forces and the jews.

Now, there is one single difference, however. Germans were actually condemned to committing the crime of Genocide in a court. They had to pay hefty reparations, and were at Israel's mercy. Israel had already taken some hefty fees, along with what they paid to the holocaust survivors.
Japan still refuses to recognize various accusations such as Nanking.

We however, are accused of quite debatable things, which is the reason they are debated, actually. In all cases, we were facing enemies from all fronts, while having to deal with internal strifes. It's best not to get into those things. All I'm saying is, that it is us, the Turkish people, who are the accused here. Not the Ottoman government, not the Turkish government, but us. If you say, "nah" you fool yourself. If only the Nazi Germany was at fault for holocausting jews, why did the German public pay for all of the reparations that went to the holocaust survivors?
This is what our enemies are trying to archive. Even if you're not guilty of committing something, repeat it enough times, and even you start to believe that you might have done something.
Once they get you to accept their stories, they have you. They can get you to pay them in lands, money and everything they desire.
I will not play their games, nor will the majority of Turks.

Quote:The rhetoric you consistently let fall from your mouth is not pride, it is bigoted ethnocentric nationalism, and it's disgusting.

Well, on whose ethnicity should I center myself on, but my own?
How is it somehow disgusting that I care for the welbeing of my own people?

Quote:If you were representative of Turkey as a whole, I'd say their place in middle eastern politics should be non-existent.

Sadly, most Turks are now swayed away from Turkish nationalism to islamist ummah propaganda(which was the main reason of me starting this thread).
And well, I certainly would love to play no part in middle-estern politics. We have severed our ties with them the moment they sold us out.

Quote:The middle east is already full up with that sort of nonsense. So you go ahead and laugh at the "antics" of a people who were nearly annihilated, and pine away for the day when you don't have to live with "non-turks"

Is it, I didn't really know. I still laugh at the antics of a people who were already a weak presence in Anatolia, and still thought that they could hold on to it by merely allying themselves with the British(Greeks) and the Russians(Armenians). If they had stayed loyal to the empire, they could still be there, but then again, we wouldn't have a Turkey for Turks.
So maybe I'm somewhat glad that the Greeks and Armenians have decided to play for the wrong side, and I'm glad that we decided to play for the wrong side(Germans&Austria-hungary). As you see, it all went out better than expected, and we have a country that is called Turkey, the land of the Turks, instead of "Osmanli(multi-ethnic, where Turks did not receive their rightful prize as the founders of the country, just so the Qayı tribe could keep it's throne...)" named after a tribal chieftain.

Quote: As long as the total measure of your dreamland Turkey's power is your impotent bitching about "The West", I couldn't care less.

In my vision, Turkey as a sovereign state does not exist. It only exists as a landmass that is part of a larger country.
Besides, I'm not bitching about the West. It seems like the West is constantly bitching about us. That's why they don't want us in their union(not that we want to be in their stupid clique), and that is why they want us to be in the worst situations possible.

(November 26, 2011 at 6:26 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Why have you then brough this up even though it was irrelevant?

It was not irrelevant. You made a false claim that the first post after yours instigated your extreme reactions here. I pointed out that it was untrue. My post was benign.

Quote:I gave you the info that some people don't want you to hear.

Kilic, you basically calling them laughable cowards is not information that is relevant as to whether they were slaughtered. It is 100% without a doubt certain that the Turks went around killing people. Yes, the genocide I pointed out was more of a massacre than anything. However, "asking them to surrender" is not an excuse to go in and kill a bunch of fucking religious people living in a monastery. If you think that is excusable, you are deluded. I won't even get into the Armenian Genocide. Remember, my country has no reason to spread propaganda about that -- yours does. I wonder who is being fed bullshit.



Wow, those little guys must have been too rebellious. Fucking load of shit. I am appalled by my country's use of internment camps for the Japanese during WWII. That is the difference between you and I. I am not willing to compromise my morality to defend a nation.

Quote:And yes, they want to annihilate our country, and I personally laugh at their antics, seeing how they rage times over times in youtube comments...Really pitiful

Kilic, they have every right to want revenge. It is a natural feeling. It wasn't even 100 years ago. Your people slaughtered their people and "exiled" them to death camps. You find it laughable? How sick are you?

Quote:, but aside from that, the subject of this thread was not about any of the so-called genocide accusations, it was merely about how we were being used by our own politicians and foreign powers as proxies in middle eastern politics. This is why I said that we are the most popular ass of the middle east.

Yes, but you brought up how your country only hurts itself which is a gigantic load of fucking bullshit. It is okay to be proud of your country's triumphs, but crimes against humanity are nothing to be proud of. There is good and bad in everything. If the Greeks and Armenians declared war with Turkey after WWII, I would not have thought them out of line. Your country overstepped, big time. You were no worse than the Nazis. Your people not only slaughtered people of other ethnicities, but they destroyed countless artifacts, just like Hitler.

Was I the first person to Godwin this shit?

I've been trying very hard not to.