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Maximizing Moral Virtue
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Maximizing Moral Virtue
So for this topic we will be accepting the premise that God isn't real, okay now what?

My main question is what should we do to ensure that our children inherit good moral values? Also, how should we run society and education so that we can ensure that our communities don't fall apart?
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
(May 18, 2022 at 5:57 am)h311inac311 Wrote: So for this topic we will be accepting the premise that God isn't real, okay now what?

My main question is what should we do to ensure that our children inherit good moral values? Also, how should we run society and education so that we can ensure that our communities don't fall apart?

Leaving aside for now the thorny question of what constitutes ‘good moral values’, I think probably the best method of ensuring that your children have the values you want them to have is to lead by example.

If you want to make sure your community doesn’t fall apart, get involved in your community and encourage your friends, neighbours and co-workers to do the same.

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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
(May 18, 2022 at 5:57 am)h311inac311 Wrote: My main question is what should we do to ensure that our children inherit good moral values? 

First, we have to keep them away from screens as much as possible. 

Quote:Also, how should we run society and education so that we can ensure that our communities don't fall apart?

Too late.
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
(May 18, 2022 at 5:57 am)h311inac311 Wrote: So for this topic we will be accepting the premise that God isn't real, okay now what?

My main question is what should we do to ensure that our children inherit good moral values? Also, how should we run society and education so that we can ensure that our communities don't fall apart?

Inherit? Moral values are a learned concept based on group/tribe/community/society.
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#5
RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
First - define "morals".

I see it as whatever an individual has decided and can't have their mind changed about.


Right and wrong sometimes are considered - but don't count on it...
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
(May 18, 2022 at 5:57 am)h311inac311 Wrote: So for this topic we will be accepting the premise that God isn't real, okay now what?

My main question is what should we do to ensure that our children inherit good moral values? Also, how should we run society and education so that we can ensure that our communities don't fall apart?

Let me guess, troll, you're hoping to close off this thread with a "hah! I knew atheists couldn't be moral. This thread is proof of it".
The great appear great because we are on our knees. Let us rise!
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
(May 18, 2022 at 7:47 am)brewer Wrote:
(May 18, 2022 at 5:57 am)h311inac311 Wrote: So for this topic we will be accepting the premise that God isn't real, okay now what?

My main question is what should we do to ensure that our children inherit good moral values? Also, how should we run society and education so that we can ensure that our communities don't fall apart?

Inherit? Moral values are a learned concept based on group/tribe/community/society.
Not really. A good person will tend to behave in pro-social ways, and a bad person will tend to behave in anti-social ways. Those kids who broke into my apartment and nearly killed me (true story) didn't "learn" that behavior from anyone, they're just naturally anti-social and wicked.
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
Probably true to an extent. Most people don't have to try very hard to be passably decent. In my experience, it's extremely difficult to get people to do Bad Things™. I'd probably even go so far as to say that if we didn't beat and/or starve our children and/or neighbors like dogs there really wouldn't be much human evil to deal with in the world.
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RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
Try to act with people the way you would like them to act to you (even if they don't)
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#10
RE: Maximizing Moral Virtue
It might be useful if the OP lays out specific areas of moral and civil concern in the absence of gods. Some specific moral value or set of moral values? Some particular sense of not falling apart - as society simply changing for the better or the worse is to fall apart with respect to traditional norms?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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