(June 24, 2022 at 2:34 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(June 24, 2022 at 2:32 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Well, he did say he will do all in his power to protect women who need an abortion in the states where it is illegal, so I assume that if they get charged with having an abortion in another state that Biden will issue a blanket pardon for anyone convicted of getting or facilitating abortion.

A United States President can only pardon federal offenses, not state ones, which is what Trump is dealing with right now.

Ah, but then apparently states can not ban abortion because States can't ban FDA-approved abortion pills on safety grounds.
https://www.axios.com/2022/06/24/merrick...state-bans

Once again I heard the bullshit argument coming from a female today on this topic, she said she knew a few women who had abortions and regretted it. Yea and? There are lots of people who get tattoos who end up regretting it, but that does not give them the right to tell others they cant get a tattoo.

(June 24, 2022 at 2:56 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Once again I heard the bullshit argument coming from a female today on this topic, she said she knew a few women who had abortions and regretted it. Yea and? There are lots of people who get tattoos who end up regretting it, but that does not give them the right to tell others they cant get a tattoo.

And, yet, the creeps bitch & wine about transgenders who undergo surgery, which, per a recent study, has a low regret rate. We are, of course, free to make choices and live with the consequences, good or bad, of those choices. Seems that the pro-choice position should be supported by conservatives.

(June 24, 2022 at 1:26 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: The Supreme Joke of the US has shown, once again, that it is out of touch with the modern world, is filled with activist judges who put politics above the needs of their people, and is, therefore, no longer relevant.

It's time it was dismantled, restructured, and replaced.

No it does not need to be dismantled, it isn't the tool that is broken, it is the people using the tool and abusing it.

(June 24, 2022 at 3:01 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 24, 2022 at 1:26 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: The Supreme Joke of the US has shown, once again, that it is out of touch with the modern world, is filled with activist judges who put politics above the needs of their people, and is, therefore, no longer relevant.

It's time it was dismantled, restructured, and replaced.

No it does not need to be dismantled, it isn't the tool that is broken, it is the people using the tool and abusing it.

It absolutely does need to be dismantled. The tool is 100% broken, and we've seen that here today. The Senate needs to be thrown out with them, along with the constitution. Time to write a new one. As Thomas Jefferson said: The Earth belongs to the living, not the dead. We've been letting the dead rule us for far too long.

(June 24, 2022 at 11:55 am)Divinity Wrote:

(June 24, 2022 at 11:34 am)Jehanne Wrote: A wacky minority is using SCOTUS to harass the rights of the majority; you have nothing to fear, unless you live in Mississippi.

Or literally any state with a Republican legislature and/or governorship. Also I wouldn't call them wacky as much as I'd call them malicious bastards.

And, as I’ve said before, this isn’t going to end abortion, even in the states that have trigger laws that ban it the second the Supreme Court says they’re not going to fight it. All it’s going to do is make it harder for everyone.

If the milk of human kindness hasn’t curdled into casu marzu, I’d highly recommend 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days. It’s based on a true story of two women trying to procure an abortion in Communist Romania, probably one of the most fiercely “pro-life” regimes To exist in recent times: abortion (and contraception) are outlawed, divorces are difficult to obtain, giving birth is encouraged to the point where people without children are given heavy taxes (and, ironically for a Communist state, if you’re struggling financially trying to keep both yourself and your baby alive, the social safety net is rudimentary, so you’re SOL), women of child-bearing age are given gynecological exams once a month so they can monitor any pregnancy that happens (and miscarriages are investigated as potential crimes), babies born to parents who couldn’t afford to take care of them are routinely abandoned either on the streets or in orphanages that frequently couldn’t afford to meet the children’s basic needs (and those were the better ones), and once Ceaucescu figured out that his policies weren’t working out (even in his goal of creating big Romanian families), decided the best thing to do was double down on the policies that were making his people miserable.

And the sad thing is, I strongly suspect that many pro-lifers would look at this and think it’s pretty based.

The movie is on YouTube, but there’s no subtitles, so if you don’t speak Romanian, it’ll be hard to understand what’s happening.

I know some people in states where abortion is legal who have offered help and a place to stay if they need to go to another state.

The last thing we need is to return to the back alley abortions as the only choice.

Now that it's been said out loud that contraceptives should also be disallowed...it's time to get rid of Viagra. Until then you cannot make me believe this isn't about the control of women who are able to become pregnant.

I still cling to some hope for this country but now that we are moving backward at warp speed, that hope is fading more and more every day.

(June 24, 2022 at 11:02 am)Jehanne Wrote: It's on my too-do list to watch that series!

I was a little late to the party but was completely sucked in once I did start it.  It is unnerving and not an easy watch though it is well done.

I have the book on my hold list with the local library.  I want to listen to the audiobook now to see how much the series followed the book.

(June 24, 2022 at 5:12 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I know some people in states where abortion is legal who have offered help and a place to stay if they need to go to another state.

One major difference between the Roe v. Wade decision and today:  Now the Internet exists.  Women in need of abortion services can meet benefactors online, and support from all over the world can be mobilized very quickly.  I predict an upsurge in grassroots activity that will make abortions (particularly medical ones) more accessible.

Never, ever underestimate the power of millions of pissed-off humans.

(June 24, 2022 at 10:57 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Justice Thomas says the Supreme Court should reconsider rulings that protect contraception and same-sex marriage as the court overturns Roe v. Wade (msn.com)

In a concurring opinion with the Supreme Court's Friday ruling to overturn the precedent set in Roe v. Wade, Justice Clarence Thomas said the court should reconsider rulings that protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage

It almost feels too obvious to mention, but I notice he did not mention Loving vs. Virginia, which essentially provided that interracial marriage is legal.  It would appear he is willing to reconsider rulings on rights not explicitly mentioned in the constitution, unless of course those rights benefit him.