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(July 5, 2022 at 3:58 pm)weaponoffreedom Wrote: The truth is, that no one can ever know exactly what the deal is....


In order for light to exist, there must be a cause...........you know, cause and effect.  So it stands to reason, that the universe, would in fact be larger than the distance that light would have travelled in the same time, because it came into existence after, long after.

You cant get something from nothing right?

as in the first law of thermodynamics: also known as the law of conservation of energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but it can be changed from one form to another.

So, with that in mind, "stuff came first" (cause) then light (effect).  Interesting concept, that is backed up by all the laws of physics, especially thermodynamics.


How did these hut dwelling individuals know that "stuff" came first, and light came after?  When did they know it?  Well the book is older than all of us, especially modern science, so I will let you decide that.

Was it just a good guess?

It was then that I found out many other truths in science that PROVE the existence of GOD.  And now I understand it to be no other way.

For what its worth, there was a big bang.

Please stop parading around your ignorance.
Its really emabarassing

Quote:The truth is, that no one can ever know exactly what the deal is....

Assertion

Quote:In order for light to exist, there must be a cause...........you know, cause and effect.  So it stands to reason, that the universe, would in fact be larger than the distance that light would have travelled in the same time, because it came into existence after, long after.

Assertions 

Quote:You cant get something from nothing right?

as in the first law of thermodynamics: also known as the law of conservation of energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but it can be changed from one form to another.

Which only applies to a universe that already exists with laws.

Quote:So, with that in mind, "stuff came first" (cause) then light (effect).  Interesting concept, that is backed up by all the laws of physics, especially thermodynamics

Again the laws are conditional and there is no reason to apply cause and effect to the start of the universe. 

Quote:How did these hut dwelling individuals know that "stuff" came first, and light came after?  When did they know it?  Well the book is older than all of us, especially modern science, so I will let you decide that.

Do you mean people had a concept that stuff came from other stuff? Yeah, that needs magic to explain it. (it's also unsupported) And light is significant in various religions so there is nothing special about the bible in that regard.

Quote:Was it just a good guess?

It was then that I found out many other truths in science that PROVE the existence of GOD.  And now I understand it to be no other way.

For what its worth, there was a big bang.

There is not a single shred of proof for any god ....period

(July 6, 2022 at 2:21 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(July 5, 2022 at 3:58 pm)weaponoffreedom Wrote: The truth is, that no one can ever know exactly what the deal is....


In order for light to exist, there must be a cause...........you know, cause and effect.  So it stands to reason, that the universe, would in fact be larger than the distance that light would have travelled in the same time, because it came into existence after, long after.

You cant get something from nothing right?

as in the first law of thermodynamics: also known as the law of conservation of energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but it can be changed from one form to another.

So, with that in mind, "stuff came first" (cause) then light (effect).  Interesting concept, that is backed up by all the laws of physics, especially thermodynamics.


How did these hut dwelling individuals know that "stuff" came first, and light came after?  When did they know it?  Well the book is older than all of us, especially modern science, so I will let you decide that.

Was it just a good guess?

It was then that I found out many other truths in science that PROVE the existence of GOD.  And now I understand it to be no other way.

For what its worth, there was a big bang.

Please stop parading around your ignorance.
Its really emabarassing

The fact this person doesn't get that 

1. The 1st law is conditional and only applies when other conditions are met therefore the idea something can come from nothing is unproven

2. There is no reason to think cause and effect  is universal or applies to a pre-universe or that uncaused things cannot occur 

3. That the fabric of the universe can move faster than light with any object going faster than light.

The universe's origins neither need to follow the laws of thermodynamics nor cause and effect. These are natural laws that are dependent on the universe, not the other way around. The rules and conditions that apply to the universe now need to apply at all times and under all conditions. That is a presentist bias.

Also,  science is self-correcting by design. Religion merely twists itself to force reality to fit its conclusions. The argument science has been wrong before is a classic example of Continuum fallacy and a nirvana fallacy mixed with a non-sequiter so large you could drive a truck through it.

At work.

So, we've had the size of reality explained.

We've touched on chemistry and how atoms happily combine to form molecules which combine to form compounds. Such as free ranging prions floating about tearing other biological systems apart to simply create more prions.

Plus we've touched on the weirdness that is evidenced by the 'Quantum' stuff. Photons being generated without heat (Light Emitting Diodes) and possibly mentioning atomic decay. Where stuff spontaneously and randomly falls apart into different stuff.

Are we good? I feel like we're good.

Cheers.

(July 6, 2022 at 3:32 am)Helios Wrote: The universe's origins neither need to follow the laws of thermodynamics nor cause and effect. These are natural laws that are dependent on the universe, not the other way around. The rules and conditions that apply to the universe now need to apply at all times and under all conditions. That is a presentist bias.

In General Relativity, the foundational principle of the Conservation of Energy need not always apply; the Universe is different than the matter/energy "within" it.