(July 28, 2022 at 6:26 am)Billy Bob Wrote: Hey, read the thread title and stop crying. I'm giving science that supports God and NONE of you can give science that refutes me to back up your claim, 'Why does science always upstage God?' 

"If it's inside the universe, the JWT or the Hubble should be able to spot it."

What is it seeing? Is it seeing nothing? It's seeing something. How did that something get there on its own? I showed that it could not happen on its own. So you all go crying how we don't know how as you ignore science. It's the typical atheistic two-step. I showed other things too that NO ONE can get around such as the fine-tuning, how we got life and even how we got human sexual reproduction. You're all stuck.

Hello again.

So, could you refresh what your 'Proof points' were? It'll make any of my further replies to you a tad easier.

Also, you giving points towards a deity in no way means people have to refute a deity. People just have to be accepting of your proofs which, so far, do not seem to be the case. You're kind of engaging in, if not a fallacy, then at least a non existent dichotomy.

As for your referring to 'Something happening on its own'?
Are you aware of nuclear fission? Where unstable atoms spontaneously and totally randomly fall apart?
How about Hawking Radiation? The principal (Bolstered by Roger Penrose's work) that from simple 'Space time' quantum fluctuations cause virtual atoms to pop in and out of existence. That at the extreme reality bending area of a black hole's event horizon the forces involved make said virtual particles become 'Real'?
A third thing, if you're a "Free will" proponent, is that your 'Free will' must come from nothing. As in one moment you don't have an impulse about or to do something and the next 'Pop!' you do.

Then there's the 'Fine tuning' thing. Where?
The Earth sits in a zone along with Venus and Mars that we're pretty sure allow for liquid water under an atmosphere. So we're one out of three there.
Then there's the orbit of the Earth which meanders over a few million miles per orbit, hence effecting the temperature for all involved just a little bit.
Followed by the wobble in the Earth's rotation that screws with things just a little bit more.
Then you've got the constant flexing of the Earth by the Moon as it meanders back and forth in its orbit heating the place up and causing tectonic shifts, earthquakes, volcanoes.....
The list of things 'Out of whack' in the system just goes on and on and on..... Would you like to know more?

Finally, as for the whole 'Sex' thing? Yah, biologists are pretty sure they know when THAT revolution kicked off and advanced life wasn't really on the scene for a few billion years to come.

Soooo.... take your time processing my reply. Have fun sorting through things. Have a musical day.

Cheers.

Not at work.

(July 28, 2022 at 11:47 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Then there's the 'Fine tuning' thing. Where?
The Earth sits in a zone along with Venus and Mars that we're pretty sure allow for liquid water under an atmosphere. So we're one out of three there.
Then there's the orbit of the Earth which meanders over a few million miles per orbit, hence effecting the temperature for all involved just a little bit.
Followed by the wobble in the Earth's rotation that screws with things just a little bit more.
Then you've got the constant flexing of the Earth by the Moon as it meanders back and forth in its orbit heating the place up and causing tectonic shifts, earthquakes, volcanoes.....
The list of things 'Out of whack' in the system just goes on and on and on..... Would you like to know more?

The "Fine tuning" argument is around the range of possible physical constants, and the proposal that most of that potential parameter space could not lead to any sort of life (not just life as we know it).  If there is no physical "reason" for the current values of physical constants, then they must have been chosen by a god.

It is a good question.  Possible answers are that what appear to be "free parameters" in physics are not free at all, or that there is a multiverse where different physics applies in different regions or versions (and only habitable universes will have creatures asking these questions).

Of course, if it were a god designing the universe, why is it so hostile to life?  We might be the only intelligent civilization in our galaxy at present.  It certainly doesn't seem designed for life.

Ah.. 'Fine tuning' at the more fundamental level of existence.

Pretty sure I've seen a You tube presentation by a Maths type explaining how atoms/light speed 'Are' because of the 'How' "Space/time" works.  

Still, there's enough rubble left floating around randomly from the initial accretion disk that any encounter between it and Earth will quite likely result in most foekes having a "Very bad day" ™.

Cheers.

Not at work.

I don't know if the universe was fine-tuned for life, but atheist forums are fine-tuned for theist trolls.

(July 28, 2022 at 6:36 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 28, 2022 at 6:29 am)Billy Bob Wrote: "Lad, get yourself back to primary school and stop waving your 8diocy  around the forum like it is something to be proud of."

I'm proud of knowing science and you all should be thanking me for teaching it all to you. You have NO actual science that upstages God but your empty pride won't allow you to admit that even though it is CLEAR.

You wouldn't 'know science' if it walked up and belted you in the gob.

Boru

Nope, that didn't get around the science I gave either. Yawn.

(July 28, 2022 at 8:30 pm)Billy Bob Wrote:

(July 28, 2022 at 6:36 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You wouldn't 'know science' if it walked up and belted you in the gob.

Boru

Nope, that didn't get around the science I gave either. Yawn.

You don’t understand the science or what it implies. This is at the heart of your sad, pathetic confusion. 

Boru

(July 28, 2022 at 10:19 am)Aegon Wrote:

(July 28, 2022 at 6:26 am)Billy Bob Wrote: Hey, read the thread title and stop crying. I'm giving science that supports God and NONE of you can give science that refutes me to back up your claim, 'Why does science always upstage God?' 

"If it's inside the universe, the JWT or the Hubble should be able to spot it."

What is it seeing? Is it seeing nothing? It's seeing something. How did that something get there on its own? I showed that it could not happen on its own. So you all go crying how we don't know how as you ignore science. It's the typical atheistic two-step. I showed other things too that NO ONE can get around such as the fine-tuning, how we got life and even how we got human sexual reproduction. You're all stuck.

Are you trying to convince yourself of this? Because all you're doing is repeating yourself, calling others stupid, ignoring everything everyone is saying... who is this for? What is your reason for doing this? Are things bad in your life right now? Are you not receiving proper love from friends and family? What's the deal?

"Are you trying to convince yourself of this?"

Don't even have to try, they ARE seeing things out there and you or anyone else can give science how it got there. YOU brought it up and you CAN'T back it up. So typical.

"Because all you're doing is repeating yourself, calling others stupid, ignoring everything everyone is saying... who is this for?"

Actually, if you were honest, which you are NOT, you'd see I've been giving science and showing others are NOT giving science. Do show where all I'm doing is "calling others stupid." Oh, if ever I ask you all to supply that, I get IGNORED. You sure are addicted to lying. 

"Are things bad in your life right now? Are you not receiving proper love from friends and family? What's the deal?"

Ah, yes, so typical of the atheistic two-step, ignoring what I presented to you and then diverting as you play a therapist. How does that answer what I asked you...How did that something get there on its own?....which you ignore it then lie how I ignore people and then try to divert that your unable to explain how we got all this so you play a therapist. 

Happy lying. It's so YOU.

(July 28, 2022 at 11:42 am)Astreja Wrote:

(July 28, 2022 at 6:26 am)Billy Bob Wrote: Hey, read the thread title and stop crying. I'm giving science that supports God...

Even if your science was accurate (which remains to be seen), it doesn't support the god of the Bible in particular.

"Even if your science was accurate (which remains to be seen)"

Actually, if you were not all such liars, you'd see those laws I gave are accurate. 

"it doesn't support the god of the Bible in particular."

More of your typical atheistic two-stepping trying to divert from the topic because you all have nothing to support your "Why does science always upstage God?" as I have so much fun how you jokes have NO science to upstage God. It's fun for me to crush you all but it's sooooo easy too.

(July 28, 2022 at 11:45 am)Astreja Wrote:

(July 28, 2022 at 10:19 am)Aegon Wrote: Are you trying to convince yourself {BillyBob} of this?

Sure sounds like it.  Our rather impolite interlocutor seems to be incapable of entertaining the possibility that the universe could be godless, and that his beliefs are doomed to become cerebral goo oozing out the ears of a corpse in a coffin.

"Our rather impolite interlocutor seems to be incapable of entertaining the possibility that the universe could be godless"

Let's pretend REAL hard you entertained that the universe came about naturally. Then why are you so shallow and slow to not have figured out by now NONE of you have science to even support how we got the universe naturally? I kept showing you all that "we don't know" is not science. I clearly showed the science we know crushes a natural creation or a creation that was eternal. You either have a thinking problem or a lying problem. I say it's both.

"and that his beliefs are doomed to become cerebral goo oozing out the ears of a corpse in a coffin."

Wow, was that considered some science to get around the science I gave? It sure showed what a joke you are. You clearly have nothing intelligent to offer. 

Hey, speaking of "corpse," someone in this thread who also can't get around anything I gave, presented that biology disproved Adam and Eve. When I asked how biology even explained how life came,......silence. Then when I threw in how we even got human sexual reproduction,.....silence. 

So you brought up corpse and first the corpse had to be alive so YOU tell me how life started on its own and then tell me how human sexual reproduction came about. 

Here's a fun topic for you evo-nuts. We have human sexual reproduction (HSR). We know a whole lot about it. Many of us experimented with it. Since you believe in goo-to-you evolution, give a logical explanation with proof of how HSR came about. Here's an example: We had this asexual something that got here by a natural creation that's impossible, the universe formed by some other impossible feat, it gave life by some other impossible feat and somehow gave another impossible feat of an asexual something that eventually mutated a bump, another asexual something eventually mutating a hole, this went on and on of umpteen years, and by mere chance somehow mated from the sexual organs that somehow formed by mere chance not even knowing they were needed so that.........it eventually led to HSR. Sure it's going to be a LONG story and I can't imagine how it could be possible but since you evo-nuts believe it, you better have a good explanation. I don't want theories that answer nothing, I want a logical story with proof to back it up. Since you claim it all came about naturally, then give your natural explanation.

My suggestion is to stop feeding this troll.