(August 9, 2022 at 11:12 pm)Tomato Wrote: As sociopathic as they have become, they deserve their own thread.

Republican Lauren Boebert says she wants ‘biblical citizenship training’ in public schools
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Quote:Boebert’s chilling comments were made on an episode of FlashPoint, a Christian news show which airs on the Victory Channel, owned by the anti-LGBTQ+ televangelist Kenneth Copeland.

The Colorado Republican and gun rights activist, who has previously said that LGBTQ+ people should be banned from coming out before the age of 21, discussed the upcoming midterm elections and said Republicans must prove that they will “get America rolling again”.

She added: “Maybe we need to have some sort of legislation that requires… biblical citizenship training in our schools. And that’s how we get things turned around.”

She’s gonna feel a right charlie when all the atheists pass and all the Christians fail.

Boru

If someone wants their child(ren) to be trained in anything Biblical, they can send their precious darlings to a parochial school or to Sunday school, etc.

I don't have an issue with public schools having an elective that falls into the sociology area that teaches about world religions.

(August 10, 2022 at 7:00 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: If someone wants their child(ren) to be trained in anything Biblical, they can send their precious darlings to a parochial school or to Sunday school, etc.

I don't have an issue with public schools having an elective that falls into the sociology area that teaches about world religions.

We had an elective I took in my school like that....

Myth and Legend......

(August 10, 2022 at 7:58 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(August 10, 2022 at 7:00 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: If someone wants their child(ren) to be trained in anything Biblical, they can send their precious darlings to a parochial school or to Sunday school, etc.

I don't have an issue with public schools having an elective that falls into the sociology area that teaches about world religions.

We had an elective I took in my school like that....

Myth and Legend......

I went to Catholic school and took World Religions.  From what I understand the school was more forward thinking back then.  My understanding is they aren't as liberal as they were in the 70s.

One of my sons took a Comparative Religion course at uni. He was already an atheist, by then. One of the books was titled, "Man, Myth and Magic". Some of the kids in his class were adamant that their religion (Hinduism, Buddhism, take your pick) really weren't like that. Cafeteria Hindus, but no beef, I guess...

Marjorie Taylor Greene still doesn’t know what a pronoun actually is
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(August 10, 2022 at 8:44 pm)Tomato Wrote: Marjorie Taylor Greene still doesn’t know what a pronoun actually is
LGBTQ Nation

She's a whole other level of stupid.

(August 10, 2022 at 8:04 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(August 10, 2022 at 7:58 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: We had an elective I took in my school like that....

Myth and Legend......

I went to Catholic school and took World Religions.  From what I understand the school was more forward thinking back then.  My understanding is they aren't as liberal as they were in the 70s.

Depends on who's running it.  Jesuit order and sacred heart schools have become more liberal since the 70s.  Also more successful.  The church's current dilemma.  The secular world speaks more loudly and more compelling even in their own congregations.  That's why they're refocusing their efforts on non-nominal immigrant demographics here in the us. AKA brown people. Not going well there either. Takes two generations tops for behavioral naturalization - and..in the us, that includes secular values. Two basic choices, they can import an ever increasing number or migrants children to backfill the native loss and somehow game the us gov into paying for it (they've been successful here) - or - they can raise the price. If they raise the price, they lose the immigrant demographic and have to cater to the nominal catholic secular market - which demands a more liberal product.

The long and short, if you were interested in paying exorbitant amounts of money to send your kid to..say..a biology denying classroom - then you have better options outside of the rcc - though the rcc does operate schools that cater to that niche. The rcc as a whole positioned itself somewhere in the midst of tradition and the necessities of wealth in education...so that they could pay their bills (insomuch as they do). I'd have sent my daughter to a private catholic high school if we could have found one within a reasonable distance and the right price point.

(August 11, 2022 at 9:21 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(August 10, 2022 at 8:04 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I went to Catholic school and took World Religions.  From what I understand the school was more forward thinking back then.  My understanding is they aren't as liberal as they were in the 70s.

Depends on who's running it.  Jesuit order and sacred heart schools have become more liberal since the 70s.  Also more successful.  The church's current dilemma.  The secular world speaks more loudly and more compelling even in their own congregations.  That's why they're refocusing their efforts on non-nominal immigrant demographics here in the us.  AKA brown people.  Not going well there either.  Takes two generations tops for behavioral naturalization - and..in the us, that includes secular values.  Two basic choices, they can import an ever increasing number or migrants children to backfill the native loss and somehow game the us gov into paying for it (they've been successful here) - or - they can raise the price.  If they raise the price, they lose the immigrant demographic and have to cater to the nominal catholic secular market - which demands a more liberal product.

The long and short, if you were interested in paying exorbitant amounts of money to send your kid to..say..a biology denying classroom - then you have better options outside of the rcc - though the rcc does operate schools that cater to that niche.  The rcc as a whole positioned itself somewhere in the midst of tradition and the necessities of wealth in education...so that they could pay their bills (insomuch as they do).  I'd have sent my daughter to a private catholic high school if we could have found one within a reasonable distance and the right price point.

I grew up in an area that was populated by a Catholic majority with several Catholic schools from grade school through college.  

They learned in between my dad going to school and me getting there that too many kids were having issues with getting into some college programs because they didn't offer enough science classes or advanced math courses.  In fact, dad had to go to college to get those credits so he could get into vet school.  

I will admit that we did receive a really good, well-rounded education.  It appears that they still provide a good education in order not to lose so many college bound to the public schools in the area but they seem to have ramped up the religious side of things since I was there.

A classmate pointed out to me some years ago that our schools were really among the first to embrace the 'no child left behind' concept.  I didn't realize that being in 8-1, 8-2, through 8-6 was based on test scores and academic ability.  When I look back on it now, it was the braniacs in 8-1.  I managed 8-2 - surely math kept me from being in 8-1. And the people in 8-6 were the dumb asses of our class.  I had previously thought it was just a way to sort us to move us from class to class.

My nephew ended up being sent to Catholic school in his later years because he really needed to be in smaller classes with the chance of more individual attention.

More individual attention, and the chance to mingle with relatively wealthy peers. Those were the hooks in the 90's, when I went. That and feeder programs to ivy league schools I'd never attend on account of how I prefer camping and shooting guns and building shit. One of the ways that catholic schools have stayed competitive boils down to tuition reduction schemes. When you volunteer to teach - not bound by public schools certification requirements, though not necessarily choosing between a pool of subpar applicants.

You can end up with (relatively) alot of people with a masters or better but no ed cert teaching high school courses. Mind you, competition for academic excellence is fierce around important bases and in densely populated areas - and some kid in bfe texas could have had a gym owner as a pe coach and history teacher..but I have no complaints myself about the quality from my stint, lol. I had science teachers that were geneticists and hydrologists and marine biologists by training. My economics unit was taught by a fund manager for raymond james. PE and football coach was an air force para rescue officer. We had local authors and artists of note for ela and lib arts...etc...etc...etc. It was good. Such a tight knit community that I've never really made friends outside of it in all of my life thereafter. We stick together to the point that when tragedy befalls one of us in one state they end up in anothers house in some other state.

I actually understand, when some religious school can offer that product -and- not run afoul of a persons superstitions, why they'd prefer that their tax money didn't go to those other schools. Some people want their kids to have that, and they need the cash in taxes to pay for it. As a homeschooler, I still had to pay the local school taxes, and that stuck in my craw. I want to fiund education...but I';m not sure that my tax contribution "to education" actually does that. I get that the way we've tied school funding to property values is one of the reasons why I can see my experience as being more desirable, and that it's intimately related with keeping the unwashed masses down - but still.