(August 19, 2022 at 3:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(August 19, 2022 at 1:31 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:  Morality not really being a part of geo-politics is just the truth, but that doesn't mean we can't still criticize politicians or military generals, etc. I have no problem criticizing Putin for his actions, but I can also see how the West and Ukraine with their missteps helped bring this disaster into fruition.

We're very committed to the truth aren't we.  Here's a truth.  Putin himself has said otherwise, which ought to clear up any misunderstandings...but some people...you know?

I find it laughable that anyone believes that russia will ever win this war.  They lost it the moment they retreated in disgrace and disarray from kyiv...if it's not even more accurate to say that they lost it the moment they stepped foot in ukraine with the army they brought.  Their goals in tatters, the reputation of their forces and the marketability of their weapons, severely degraded.  It appears to have been a colossal, nearly inexplicable blunder...but then again, competence is not now nor has it ever been a job requirement in authoritarian regimes.

Also Considering 

- They still don't have total air superiority.

-Their army is totally demoralized and is having to steal simply to eat.

-The west can out manufacture Russia by serval times.

-Ukraine has proven it can wipe out Russia's supply lines consistently thus causing huge shortages in materials.

-Russia still isn't properly encoding its communications.

Etc Etc Etc ...It's been one blunder after the next.

When you have to bust out weapons from the Napoleonic war to bolster your supposedly modern army. That says it all....

(August 19, 2022 at 2:41 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(August 19, 2022 at 2:33 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Slow your roll.

It's against the rules to try to prevent people from participating.

Are you seriously threatening me because I told him he isn't compelled to post if he doesn't care about the starving civilians?

Stop lying about me and my positions, liar.
Otherwise quote me where i said i dont care about starving civilians.
You cant
Because you are a liar.
So, fuck off.

(August 19, 2022 at 3:47 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(August 19, 2022 at 2:41 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Are you seriously threatening me because I told him he isn't compelled to post if he doesn't care about the starving civilians?

Stop lying about me and my positions, liar.
Otherwise quote me where i said i dont care about starving civilians.
You cant
Because you are a liar.
So, fuck off.

You literally asked me why I was questioning Biden, who is starving millions of civilians. Sorry for the misunderstanding, but if you are peeved by someone criticizing the person who is starving those millions of civilians more than you are peeved by the actual person starving those children, then things start looking a certain way. Maybe make your position a little more clear next time. So yeah, when you respond to me bringing up starving children by asking me why I'm even bringing it up, it kind of says something about you that you would seem to rather not have the subject brought up at all and brushed under the rug, which makes one wonder why that is.

And again, when I said might makes right, I wasn't literally saying that this is my personal position or my personal morality, so you were not making any type of good point when you continued to bring that up again and again. Might makes right is how the world works, and life is not fair. This means that God was right for drowning most of the world because by definition any act of God is just and moral. I can't believe I have to actually explain this.

I keep hearing he's frail, but imagine the upper body and stamina it takes to personally starve millions of people.

Let's run with that, though, its pretty bad to do bad shit to people. Should we give people who do bad shit to people some money?

And Biden isn't starving anybody the Taliban are.....

(August 19, 2022 at 6:06 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I keep hearing he's frail, but imagine the upper body and stamina it takes to personally starve millions of people.

Let's run with that, though, its pretty bad to do bad shit to people.  Should we give people who do bad shit to people some money?

Well apparently should give a terrorist group money to squander and misuse and then let millions starve. As for might makes right that's a slogan, not a reality.

The only ones who can assure people no longer starve are the millionaires and billionaires hoarding their wealth.

(August 19, 2022 at 8:45 pm)Tomato Wrote: The only ones who can assure people no longer starve are the millionaires and billionaires hoarding their wealth.

Indeed wouldn't it be nice if all the companies that made a huge bank off the Afghanistan war flipped the bill.....

(August 19, 2022 at 12:30 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(August 19, 2022 at 12:08 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Why unwinnable? Are you in love with Putin or something?

Yes, Ukraine should give up and make a peace deal. The experts on this issue basically all say this is a lost cause. I don't know about you, but it's kind of sad seeing tens of thousands of people die like this in a lost cause. I don't know which experts you're listening to. And I don't need to love Putin to not buy into the propaganda like you have. The United States is my countries top ally and I'm glad that is the case, but I call it like I see it. The West and NATO, and Ukraine by keeping an open mind about NATO, made Russia feel like they were being pushed into a corner, so yes, our provocation toward Russia over the years is in large part to blame for the war in Ukraine. Even normies like the Pope are coming out and saying the obvious, but I know you and Helios will never acknowledge the obvious because things have to be black and white with you guys where it's "Russia bad" no matter what. Obviously I disavow how brutal and inhumane the Russian attack has been, but when you make a country feel threatened for long enough and keep pushing it, this is the result. And America is funding this proxy war, so yes, much of the blood continues to be on their hands for that reason.

Experts do not all say its a lost cause, far from it. Russia has already lost more equipment and men in Ukraine than they did in Afghanistan and they lost that war.