@h311inac311

Quote:If men are free to invent their own meaning and assign their own value to the words right and wrong what is stopping the gambler from telling his wife that gambling is good? 

Gambling is only a ‘gambling problem’ when you lose.

Boru

(September 17, 2022 at 4:35 pm)GUBU Wrote:

Quote:If men are free to invent their own meaning and assign their own value to the words right and wrong what is stopping the gambler from telling his wife that gambling is good?
What will prevent the murderer from telling you that he is a more evolved being which has the right to naturally select his victims for death in the hopes of wiping out their gene pool?
What is stopping a corrupt mind from aiding the destruction of society?

I don't know, what is there in christianity stopping you from telling me that all these are morally good, given its human creation?

1. Well to be fair the Bible never condemns gambling but Solomon does warn against the danger of trying to get rich quick which is almost always what separates a gambler who's just having fun with his own money from someone who is wasting their life savings on craps.

2. Thou Shalt not Murder. 

Our job is to live as Jesus lived and speak as Jesus spoke, we learn about who he was from the writings of the New Covenant. 

     Jesus didn't live for wealth, power, sex or even fame. In fact he avoided the multitudes, owned nothing, never had sex and made it his goal to show others that his power was a gift from the Holy Spirit and stated that others would come along and perform even greater feats than he did.
     
          The cross; therefore; represents a man willing to die the most humiliating and painful death for his God, which (if we interpret the meaning of the term God within its relation to how men think) means that he was willing to make his entire body into a pure sacrifice for his ultimate moral virtue. From what I can; tell whatever a man describes as his god is his own understanding of what the best virtue is.

                                        And it is the inspiration of this story, which was signed in blood, that keeps a Christian from embracing corruption.

(September 17, 2022 at 6:28 pm)h311inac311 Wrote:

(September 17, 2022 at 4:35 pm)GUBU Wrote: I don't know, what is there in christianity stopping you from telling me that all these are morally good, given its human creation?

1. Well to be fair the Bible never condemns gambling but Solomon does warn against the danger of trying to get rich quick which is almost always what separates a gambler who's just having fun with his own money from someone who is wasting their life savings on craps.

2. Thou Shalt not Murder. 

Our job is to live as Jesus lived and speak as Jesus spoke, we learn about who he was from the writings of the New Covenant. 

     Jesus didn't live for wealth, power, sex or even fame. In fact he avoided the multitudes, owned nothing, never had sex and made it his goal to show others that his power was a gift from the Holy Spirit and stated that others would come along and perform even greater feats than he did.
     
          The cross; therefore; represents a man willing to die the most humiliating and painful death for his God, which (if we interpret the meaning of the term God within its relation to how men think) means that he was willing to make his entire body into a pure sacrifice for his ultimate moral virtue. From what I can; tell whatever a man describes as his god is his own understanding of what the best virtue is.

                                        And it is the inspiration of this story, which was signed in blood, that keeps a Christian from embracing corruption.

'Our Job"??????

I don't recall signing up for such nonsense.

It you want to be a slave to Jebus, be my guest.

(September 17, 2022 at 6:28 pm)h311inac311 Wrote: What will prevent the murderer from telling you that he is a more evolved being which has the right to naturally select his victims for death in the hopes of wiping out their gene pool?

Sense of compassion. People have compassion so they realize that other people are suffering. The other thing is that people evolved to be social beings who need other people to survive, so if they kill everyone or steal from everyone they will ultimately harm themselves.

But what you are talking about is ideology. Ideology is used by rulers to override logic and compassion to dehumanize other people. Needless to say that religion is frequently used for that, like when Pope Urban II called Christians to slaughter people of other religions saying that they won't be killing humans but getting rid of evil in the world and actually committing an "act of love."






When it comes to gambling, gambling itself is bad because people lose money on it, they just need some logic to see that it is not worth it (unless they are one of the few people in the world who know how to gamble). But if let's say some man is sick and insists on gambling, his wife can divorce him, unless they are in some religion that subordinates women to men.

(September 17, 2022 at 6:28 pm)h311inac311 Wrote:                                         And it is the inspiration of this story, which was signed in blood, that keeps a Christian from embracing corruption.

Which christians does it do that for?  I'm just saying, prisons are full of christians.  Hate preachers get caught underneath central american poolboys with some regularity, the vast majority of any bad thing done by anyone in the us is done by a christian by sheer force of demographics. Talismanic christianity is about as credible as a lucky rabbits foot. In both cases one motherfucker is already dead for the superstition and many more will follow thinking that death benefitted them.

I don't know how slipping into christianese (and you know when you're doing it, lol) helps to explain anything.  You tell us it's your job to live like christ.  Why?  Is it just because he was christ, just because some god told you too, because there's an alleged reward....or do you think that it's a good way to live a life? To me, it would seem like it would have to be the latter thing. The former being completely irrelevent to any moral oughts, such as, "we ought to live our life a certain way".

Barebones, that we shouldn't live for wealth, power, sex, or fame? Thankfully that's a short list and life is unfathomably vast. Why, though, should you not seek those things? Should you not seek them because a god didn't? Because god personally dislikes them? Because god said no? Because god dangling carrot? Or, because there's something wrong with them, and if so, what? Are we dealing with moral considerations in living our lives "like christ", or mimicry-for-effect?

Christians today identify by name only, not behavior. And since actions have always spoken louder than words, they reveal themselves as non-christian.

(September 17, 2022 at 8:30 pm)Tomato Wrote: Christians today identify by name only, not behavior. And since actions have always spoken louder than words, they reveal themselves as non-christian.

Spot on. Who’s more Christian - the self-professed Jesus freak who illegally sent two plane loads of people 1800 miles away, or the liberal lefties who took those people in, sheltered them, fed them, and got them medical care?

Boru

(September 17, 2022 at 6:28 pm)h311inac311 Wrote:

(September 17, 2022 at 4:35 pm)GUBU Wrote: I don't know, what is there in christianity stopping you from telling me that all these are morally good, given its human creation?

1. Well to be fair the Bible never condemns gambling but Solomon does warn against the danger of trying to get rich quick which is almost always what separates a gambler who's just having fun with his own money from someone who is wasting their life savings on craps.

2. Thou Shalt not Murder. 

Our job is to live as Jesus lived and speak as Jesus spoke, we learn about who he was from the writings of the New Covenant. 

     Jesus didn't live for wealth, power, sex or even fame. In fact he avoided the multitudes, owned nothing, never had sex and made it his goal to show others that his power was a gift from the Holy Spirit and stated that others would come along and perform even greater feats than he did.
     
          The cross; therefore; represents a man willing to die the most humiliating and painful death for his God, which (if we interpret the meaning of the term God within its relation to how men think) means that he was willing to make his entire body into a pure sacrifice for his ultimate moral virtue. From what I can; tell whatever a man describes as his god is his own understanding of what the best virtue is.

                                        And it is the inspiration of this story, which was signed in blood, that keeps a Christian from embracing corruption.

On 1 you're just making shit up to justify your earlier bullshit. Bravo.

On 2, then why can we find many instances of god not just condoning murder but ordering and even committing it then? Your bible is no help to you here, boy, because we generally know what's in it.

One final thought, if you want to live as Jesus lived renounce all modern technology and convert to.ultra orthodox judaism. Until you do both, you're still bullshitting.

PS even according to the bible Yeshua didn't die for our sins, he just fell asleep for c. 36 hours to do so. And it even shows an earlier interpretation of the mythos where Yeshua was merely a preacher who thought he was righteous in the eyes of yhwh finding out his error. Why would one of the aspects of god shout "my god, my god, why have you forsaken me?"

If God wanted to forgive our sins, why didn’t he simply do so? Seriously, proclaiming ‘Thou art forgiven’ seems a lot more Godlike than kinda-sorta-but-not-really sacrificing himself to himself in a carnival of blood and torture that would make Dario Argento gulp with disbelief.

Boru

(September 19, 2022 at 5:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If God wanted to forgive our sins, why didn’t he simply do so? Seriously, proclaiming ‘Thou art forgiven’ seems a lot more Godlike than kinda-sorta-but-not-really sacrificing himself to himself in a carnival of blood and torture that would make Dario Argento gulp with disbelief.

Boru

Yeah, almost makes you think it's not real. doesn't it? But that's impossible, of course it's real, right? Heh.......