(November 14, 2022 at 2:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Every material object has both form and matter. The soul is the form of the body.

What is the form of an Electron?

(November 14, 2022 at 3:05 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 14, 2022 at 2:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Every material object has both form and matter. The soul is the form of the body.

I think that a better explanation for consciousness is the existence of brains, and so, monism is to be preferred -- No brain, no mind.

Agreed. ‘Disembodied mind’ is a semantically null statement.

Boru

The notion that a soul is the form of mind is essentially anti-reductive -- the claim that the sum cannot be reduced to the parts. With emergence that's true. Without it, the sum reduces to the parts with no remainder and there is no soul -- immaterial or otherwise.

(November 14, 2022 at 3:00 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(November 14, 2022 at 2:02 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Right. Because the soul, as I said, has no weight. The concept behind the test was flawed.

The soul has no existence. The concept of the test was flawed.

Please point to one, demonstrable, testable, verifiable and falsifiable thing that is explained by an 'immaterial soul', that can't be explained by natural processes.

All material things have both form and matter. 

"Soul" is another term for the form of complex organisms, like people.

Without a form, a person couldn't exist. 

This is natural.

Blah, blah, blahdy, blah, blah.

Pay the soul toll.

(November 14, 2022 at 7:01 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Blah, blah, blahdy, blah, blah.

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(November 14, 2022 at 7:14 pm)Eclectic Wrote:

(November 14, 2022 at 7:01 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Blah, blah, blahdy, blah, blah.

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Belacqua is engaging in woo-woo:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woo-woo

(November 14, 2022 at 7:14 pm)Eclectic Wrote:

(November 14, 2022 at 7:01 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Blah, blah, blahdy, blah, blah.

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I enjoy learning and talking about traditional philosophy concerning the soul. This doesn't mean that I believe any or all of it, I just find it fascinating. 

The type of Aristotelian philosophy I mentioned above has been very influential in Christianity and (I'm pretty sure) Islamic theology. So if people are talking about Christian concepts of the soul, it makes sense that they would know these things. 

So it gives me pleasure to think about this stuff. 

Other people are not interested in the subject. That's fine. There's no reason for them to think about it at all.

Most people who aren't interested just walk away. Others somehow think that my talking about it should be mocked or insulted. They don't want me to enjoy the kind of things that I enjoy. It's basically a Puritan Pleasure Patrol, aiming to shut down discussions that they don't happen to get pleasure from. Passing judgment on other people's pleasures is pretty normal, and if that's what they want to do it's OK with me. I can ignore them too.

(November 14, 2022 at 8:01 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(November 14, 2022 at 7:14 pm)Eclectic Wrote: ???

I enjoy learning and talking about traditional philosophy concerning the soul. This doesn't mean that I believe any or all of it, I just find it fascinating. 

The type of Aristotelian philosophy I mentioned above has been very influential in Christianity and (I'm pretty sure) Islamic theology. So if people are talking about Christian concepts of the soul, it makes sense that they would know these things. 

So it gives me pleasure to think about this stuff. 

Other people are not interested in the subject. That's fine. There's no reason for them to think about it at all.

Most people who aren't interested just walk away. Others somehow think that my talking about it should be mocked or insulted. They don't want me to enjoy the kind of things that I enjoy. It's basically a Puritan Pleasure Patrol, aiming to shut down discussions that they don't happen to get pleasure from. Passing judgment on other people's pleasures is pretty normal, and if that's what they want to do it's OK with me. I can ignore them too.

How long has this bug been up your ass?