(December 3, 2022 at 3:15 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(December 3, 2022 at 11:51 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Which is absolutely NOT the same as putting someone in rehab.

Boru

If you are under a temporary order and in need of rehab, they will perform rehab.

Bold mine,

Rehab tends to indicate some sort of addiction.  Rehab is for detoxing and counseling and other help, as needed.

A 72 hour hold is simply that.  It is NOT rehab.  The 72 hours is so you can be observed, examined, and yes - possibly dried out a bit.  It is also to determine if someone is a danger to themselves or others.  A decision is made as to the need for continued inpatient treatment but that's generally not rehab now, but more back in the day of state mental hospitals.  If a person wants to remain an addict rehab isn't going to work.

Rehab is seldom forced.  And I don't have a clue what you can mean by forced rehab.  Rehab requires cooperation from the patient.

No adult can be forced to get straight by the authorities.  

I have no clue what 'performing rehab' could be.  It sounds a lot like casting a magic spell.

(December 3, 2022 at 3:15 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(December 3, 2022 at 11:51 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Which is absolutely NOT the same as putting someone in rehab.

Boru

If you are under a temporary order and in need of rehab, they will perform rehab.

And that temporary order (at least here and in the UK) has to come from a judge, not the cops.

If it truly is the case that a cop can issue a commitment order, turn off the lights and lock the door. The US is proper fucked.

Boru

(December 3, 2022 at 3:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And that temporary order (at least here and in the UK) has to come from a judge, not the cops.

If it truly is the case that a cop can issue a commitment order, turn off the lights and lock the door. The US is proper fucked.

Boru

And if the cop doesn't want to bother the judge on a weekend, the schizophrenic off his meds stays with his beleaguered parents another night, despite the claims by neighbors that notes found in their lawns constitute a threat to self and others.  

Just as an example.  From my imagination.

(December 3, 2022 at 3:54 pm)Ranjr Wrote:

(December 3, 2022 at 3:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And that temporary order (at least here and in the UK) has to come from a judge, not the cops.

If it truly is the case that a cop can issue a commitment order, turn off the lights and lock the door. The US is proper fucked.

Boru

And if the cop doesn't want to bother the judge on a weekend, the schizophrenic off his meds stays with his beleaguered parents another night, despite the claims by neighbors that notes found in their lawns constitute a threat to self and others.  

Just as an example.  From my imagination.

Then the schizophrenic can be locked up without involving a judge. I have no problem with cops arresting people who make threats.

Boru

(December 3, 2022 at 5:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Then the schizophrenic can be locked up without involving a judge. I have no problem with cops arresting people who make threats.

Boru

The cop didn't interpret the notes as direct threats, leaving no reason to take into custody the writer and depositor of the notes.  Drove away.

(December 3, 2022 at 5:53 pm)Ranjr Wrote:

(December 3, 2022 at 5:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Then the schizophrenic can be locked up without involving a judge. I have no problem with cops arresting people who make threats.

Boru

The cop didn't interpret the notes as direct threats, leaving no reason to take into custody the writer and depositor of the notes.  Drove away.

Stupid cop.

Boru

So many dumb cops.  Dumb criminals.  Dumb people.

We should just do away with cops, criminals, and people.

Quote:Why do you think it is inaccurate?

Did you even read my comment? Reflect on that ....

Quote:  Tuum id dicere id non facit.

It's ironic you use this as this is exactly what you did....

(December 3, 2022 at 8:20 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(December 2, 2022 at 9:35 pm)TaraJo Wrote: I don't think police are inherently bad, but I can see why people don't like them.  

Yeah, a lot of laws that they enforce aren't just.  I can get past that, somewhat, by chalking it up to the price to live in a society with other people whose values aren't always the same as mine.

But I do think they get away with WAY too much.  If I'm walking down the street, minding my own business, a cop could probably just walk up on me, shoot me dead for no reason and get away with it.  A random stranger couldn't get away with that, but cops will.

Personally, I think, with all the training and equipment and backup cops get, they should be held to a higher standard than the general public, not a lesser standard.  If we're going to accept as justification for killing someone that a cop feared for their life or they panicked, why can't we accept that justification from the general public?  Better question is this: if fearing for your life is justification to kill someone and we've all see cops kill people under questionable circumstances, couldn't you justify killing a cop because you're afraid for your life?  

And that's not even going into the racial differences in how cops treat black people vs white people or the reaction cops have towards violent right wing protests vs peaceful left wing protests.  

Yeah, police are a necessity but they need major reform.

You get what you pay for.  To be a cop, one only needs a high school diploma.  In Iowa, you could get hired immediately without even having to go to the Iowa police academy right away.  One reform that could take place is to do what sheriff departments do and that is to make all police officers deputies; if a sheriff wants to get rid of an officer, all he/she has to do is to not redeputize that person.  Make police chiefs elected officials as local city sheriffs and see what that does.

Your plan would make the whole situation even more of a fuck up than it already is. Rural police in the US are generally worse than urban police, largely because they have absolutely no training.

What the US needs to do is to stop seeing their police as an army of occupation and their criminal code as a means to keep minorities down. Once the police are recivilianised, properly trained and deployed correctly, oversight is made independent and effective and the laws applied equally to all and written for the common good, you'll see a massive improvement in standards.

While it’s obviously true that not all US cops are corrupt, they are all caught in a corrupt system, as evidenced by the results of police departments investigating their own.

It’s hard to be one of the good guys when you’re surrounded by bad guys.

Boru