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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
December 7, 2022 at 10:44 am
(December 7, 2022 at 5:26 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 6, 2022 at 8:58 pm)Jehanne Wrote: That our World is approximately 4.5 billion years old is a fact; such will never change, and it is unreasonable, in my opinion, to conclude otherwise.
But science is not just a collection of facts - it is primarily a method for arriving at a close approximation of those facts. It is not inconceivable that a different methodology will someday establish an age for the world of, say, 4.61 billion years or 4.48 billion years. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that somewhere there is at least one credible geologist or cosmologist working on refining this data.
ALL scientific knowledge is provisional. As it should be.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. On an existential level, I think that you are absolutely correct; we may all be, in fact, brains in vats. On a practical level, the age of the Earth will, a billion years from now, be calculated as being 5.543 billion years +/- a few million years.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
December 7, 2022 at 12:23 pm
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(December 7, 2022 at 10:44 am)Jehanne Wrote: (December 7, 2022 at 5:26 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But science is not just a collection of facts - it is primarily a method for arriving at a close approximation of those facts. It is not inconceivable that a different methodology will someday establish an age for the world of, say, 4.61 billion years or 4.48 billion years. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that somewhere there is at least one credible geologist or cosmologist working on refining this data.
ALL scientific knowledge is provisional. As it should be.
Boru
We'll have to agree to disagree. On an existential level, I think that you are absolutely correct; we may all be, in fact, brains in vats. On a practical level, the age of the Earth will, a billion years from now, be calculated as being 5.543 billion years +/- a few million years.
There is nothing practical about it, unless you are invested in the notion that the earth is 4.56 billion years old rather than in always seeking the best deduction resulting from on going process of discovery.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
December 7, 2022 at 1:54 pm
(December 7, 2022 at 9:45 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Lek, how do you feel about Ahriman asserting that irrationality and religion are synonyms?
Irrational is an adjective that one applies to religion. They are not synonyms.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
December 7, 2022 at 2:51 pm
(December 7, 2022 at 1:54 pm)Lek Wrote: (December 7, 2022 at 9:45 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Lek, how do you feel about Ahriman asserting that irrationality and religion are synonyms?
Irrational is an adjective that one applies to religion. They are not synonyms.
Until you can show me a religion based on rationality instead of faith, they kind of are.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
December 7, 2022 at 2:54 pm
(December 7, 2022 at 2:51 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 7, 2022 at 1:54 pm)Lek Wrote: Irrational is an adjective that one applies to religion. They are not synonyms.
Until you can show me a religion based on rationality instead of faith, they kind of are.
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An attribute is not synonymous with the holder of that attribute. The holder of that attribute has many other attributes, such as intellectual duplicity, reliance on conformity, urge to seek influence and aggrandize itself at the expense of both peers and alternatives, etc
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
December 7, 2022 at 3:39 pm
Quote:Irrational is an adjective that one applies to religion. They are not synonyms.
No they pretty much are synonymous.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
December 7, 2022 at 4:02 pm
Okay...........?
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
December 7, 2022 at 4:11 pm
Quote:Okay...........?
Yes, it is okay........ 
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
December 8, 2022 at 10:03 am
Unitarian Universalism seems to at least come close to being rational, in a touch-feely way.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: Supernatural and Atheism
December 8, 2022 at 10:04 am
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(December 8, 2022 at 10:03 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Unitarian Universalism seems to at least come close to being rational, in a touch-feely way.
It really isn't rational, the people who take UU seriously belive in some crazy shit.
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