(November 24, 2022 at 8:06 pm)Uberpod Wrote: Is there any room for special designations in regard to MTF trans athletes in particular sports resulting in double placing. ie, second place-t, second place-c? It might calm the cackles of conservatives.

That would imply a level of comfort with trans people simply existing as part of society that isn't a thing in right-wing thought anymore (at least if it ever was).

We have reached a point where mainstream right-wing ideology equates trans people existing within earshot or eyeshot of children (at the barest minimum) to child grooming, famous right-wingers are openly inciting harassment campaigns against CHILDREN'S HOSPITALS that dare to give gender-affirming care to kids (often with arguments that are... dubious at best* and in at least one case calling in a bomb threat because of it), and the top-rated cable news show in America talks about how the events like the Colorado Springs mass shooting will keep happening until trans people stop getting cared for.

Some transphobes might be fine with putting transfem atheletes into their own separate category, but that's not even close to enough to appease the larger movement.

* Like the claim that doctors are putting children under the knife for genital surgery (the youngest I've been able to find is 16, though there was a transman who did top surgery at 15.) Or grossly exaggerated claims that puberty blockers are harmful to children (they've been given to children with precocious puberty for decades with zero outcry) or given to a stupefying number of kids:

The murderer in the Colorado Springs shooting is non-binary:

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/11/23/co...on-binary/

Why no response from the far right?

(November 25, 2022 at 12:33 am)Jehanne Wrote: The murderer in the Colorado Springs shooting is non-binary:

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/11/23/co...on-binary/

Why no response from the far right?

My hunch is that it can't be a hate crime so long as it's claimed the shooter is part of the LGBTQ+ community, or identifies as such.  Seems like spin to me.

(November 25, 2022 at 7:29 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(November 25, 2022 at 12:33 am)Jehanne Wrote: The murderer in the Colorado Springs shooting is non-binary:

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/11/23/co...on-binary/

Why no response from the far right?

My hunch is that it can't be a hate crime so long as it's claimed the shooter is part of the LGBTQ+ community, or identifies as such.  Seems like spin to me.

That makes sense. As Colorado has capital punishment, his attorney is already focusing on the penalty phase. Didn't think of that; thanks.

Also, you say there's no response from the right about the shooter's supposed non-binary identity, Spoiler Alert: they'll finally start to affirm that non-binary identities are a thing, just so they can insulate themselves from the consequences of their own rhetoric.

(November 25, 2022 at 10:25 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Also, you say there's no response from the right about the shooter's supposed non-binary identity, Spoiler Alert: they'll finally start to affirm that non-binary identities are a thing, just so they can insulate themselves from the consequences of their own rhetoric.

I've seen rumors that damn near EVERY mass shooter belonged to some specific identity that the right didn't like.  People were saying that this shooter was non-binary and the last one was secretly trans and another was Muslim and another was just a plain ol liberal.  It's more than a little scary because, eventually, if things get so extreme that even republicans agree to some gun control, I'm pretty sure I know exactly what groups will have guns "controlled" first.

Christians certainly are obsessed with trans people that they are so irritated by trans people's existence that they persecute them in a style that is reminiscent of the persecution of Jews in the early days of Nazism before they built the camps.

Families of trans kids must flee the states where toxic Christian politicians are holding hateful speeches, conspiracies, and even laws against them.

(December 6, 2022 at 2:18 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Christians certainly are obsessed with trans people that they are so irritated by trans people's existence that they persecute them in a style that is reminiscent of the persecution of Jews in the early days of Nazism before they built the camps.

Families of trans kids must flee the states where toxic Christian politicians are holding hateful speeches, conspiracies, and even laws against them.

It isn't just trans kids they're getting upset over.  You've seen them lose their shit over drag queen story time, right?  And it's not like they're exactly friendly towards other transgender adults.  

And I live in Oklahoma so, yeah, I'm well aware I'm at risk.  My kids are here, in Oklahoma, so I don't want to leave yet, but one of these days I might have to.  And I hate it.

(December 10, 2022 at 1:13 pm)TaraJo Wrote:

(December 6, 2022 at 2:18 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Christians certainly are obsessed with trans people that they are so irritated by trans people's existence that they persecute them in a style that is reminiscent of the persecution of Jews in the early days of Nazism before they built the camps.

Families of trans kids must flee the states where toxic Christian politicians are holding hateful speeches, conspiracies, and even laws against them.

It isn't just trans kids they're getting upset over.  You've seen them lose their shit over drag queen story time, right?  And it's not like they're exactly friendly towards other transgender adults.  

And I live in Oklahoma so, yeah, I'm well aware I'm at risk.  My kids are here, in Oklahoma, so I don't want to leave yet, but one of these days I might have to.  And I hate it.

We've had this conversation before. Don't leave; Oklahoma needs you!

(December 10, 2022 at 1:17 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(December 10, 2022 at 1:13 pm)TaraJo Wrote: It isn't just trans kids they're getting upset over.  You've seen them lose their shit over drag queen story time, right?  And it's not like they're exactly friendly towards other transgender adults.  

And I live in Oklahoma so, yeah, I'm well aware I'm at risk.  My kids are here, in Oklahoma, so I don't want to leave yet, but one of these days I might have to.  And I hate it.

We've had this conversation before.  Don't leave; Oklahoma needs you!

As of now, my kids need me and that's keeping me here more than anything.  If things get too much worse, I might try and skip state anyway; I have friends who tell me Illinois government is pretty LGBT friendly and my employer is based in Chicago so I could talk to someone about a transfer.  I've just been struggling and fighting for my own survival and well being and everything for 20 years and I'm tired of fighting for myself; In that state, I'm even less inclined to fight for society at large.