(December 10, 2022 at 3:06 pm)Lek Wrote:

(December 10, 2022 at 2:59 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Why wouldn't I believe that? People suffer in all kinds of ways and God does nothing. He either wants us to suffer (in which case, why worship him) or doesn't want us to suffer but can't do anything about it anyway (in which case, why worship him), praying to God, or doing rituals, or doing anything religious like that, does not end suffering for anyone.

Do you think that there is any good in suffering?  Is someone who had never suffered better off than someone who has?

Yes, much better off.

Well, can't change your mind.

Quote:Atheists look at our lives beginning when we emerge from the womb and ending when we draw our last breath.

That's not a default atheist position 

Quote: Theists view our lives as continuing after our bodies die. 

That does not justify needless suffering 

Quote:Suffering is often a preparation for something good.

There is no need for said suffering the good thing could just happen. That is an absolutely Sado masochistic view.  

Quote: A US Marine is only one after he goes through boot camp hell

Considering a magic god exists he could just instantly create US marines that is a silly analogy, in fact, why would an all-powerful invincible need marines? In fact in an ideal world there would be no need for marines as there would be no war. This is a very silly analogy...

Quote:Well, can't change your mind.

Yes, your viewpoint is nonsense.

(December 8, 2022 at 8:15 pm)h4ym4n Wrote:

(December 8, 2022 at 7:15 pm)Lek Wrote: God always existed. He is not the cause of existence, but is existence. Creation is a manifestation of the eternal existence, not separate from it.

Are you saying at some point in god history , god and no thing existed at the same time?

Hey Lek, 

You seem to know a lot about this always existing god, what was the first this it invented?

(December 10, 2022 at 8:27 pm)h4ym4n Wrote:

(December 8, 2022 at 8:15 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Are you saying at some point in god history , god and no thing existed at the same time?

Hey Lek, 

You seem to know a lot about this always existing god, what was the first this it invented?

He didn't invent anything. It was already existing. He manifested creation. A chocolate bunny looks like a bunny, but it is just chocolate formed into the shape of a bunny. We are the essence of God that looks like a human.

Quote:He didn't invent anything. It was already existing. He manifested creation. A chocolate bunny looks like a bunny, but it is just chocolate formed into the shape of a bunny. We are the essence of God that looks like a human.

(December 10, 2022 at 10:34 pm)Lek Wrote:

(December 10, 2022 at 8:27 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Hey Lek, 

You seem to know a lot about this always existing god, what was the first this it invented?

He didn't invent anything. It was already existing. He manifested creation. A chocolate bunny looks like a bunny, but it is just chocolate formed into the shape of a bunny. We are the essence of God that looks like a human.

What does it say about your god that every murderer, rapist, torturer, paedophile, and despot that has ever disgraced our species was made in his image?

(December 10, 2022 at 7:44 pm)Lek Wrote: Well, can't change your mind.

You can change my mind -- Let God, Jesus or whoever spontaneously heal an adult amputee.  I will believe, eventually, once the possibility of fraud has been eliminated.