(December 22, 2022 at 12:21 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: I, on the other hand, find it praise worthy that they should take positive steps towards improving the human gene pool through their self elimination,

I suppose they are not big fans of Global Orgasm Day every December 22.

Objectivist Wrote: I think today's environmental problems will be solved by tomorrow's technology because who wants to live in a dirty, polluted environment?  That is they will be solved if we don't destroy the world's economy by prematurely ending oil and gas use.

I hope that you are right, but, what if you are not? Let's say that Humanity's quest for energy sources in the form of nuclear fusion is an exercise in futility, and while theoretically possible, is yet impossible to implement with any engineering, present or future.

If we burn all the fossil fuels that can be burned, will life on our World cease to be, other than, perhaps, extremophile bacteria? And, is such a nightmarish scenario worth the risk?

To the OP: I only pay attention to people who lead by example.

Quote:I think today's environmental problems will be solved by tomorrow's technology because who wants to live in a dirty, polluted environment?  That is they will be solved if we don't destroy the world's economy by prematurely ending oil and gas use.

Blind faith in technology won't work and some people really don't give a damn about living in a dirty polluted environment so this two is a poor assumption. Fossil fuels need to be abandoned soon and the idea this is economy-ending is sheer propaganda by the fossil fuel industry to prop up their dying industry.

Quote:To the OP: I only pay attention to people who lead by example.

That's a very silly philosophy.

(December 31, 2022 at 2:22 am)Helios Wrote:

Quote:I think today's environmental problems will be solved by tomorrow's technology because who wants to live in a dirty, polluted environment?  That is they will be solved if we don't destroy the world's economy by prematurely ending oil and gas use.

Blind faith in technology won't work and some people really don't give a damn about living in a dirty polluted environment so this two is a poor assumption. Fossil fuels need to be abandoned soon and the idea this is economy-ending is sheer propaganda by the fossil fuel industry to prop up their dying industry.

I admire individuals, such as the late Carl Sagan greatly, but Dr. Sagan was a futurist, who believed that controlled nuclear fusion would happen sometime in the upcoming centuries, being a source of almost unlimted clean energy. Such would certainly vindicate Western democratic capitalism, as market forces would certainly force the transition to green energy.

Sagan has been dead now for almost 30 years, and controlled nuclear fusion has, ostensibly, happened just one time, in 2021, and the researchers have failed to reproduce their results. What happens if nuclear fusion is never realized? We will go on burning fossil fuels until either they are all gone, or, we've destroyed ourselves.

No, H Sap is a vicious brute. Our spawn will find a way to survive.

(December 31, 2022 at 9:06 am)Fireball Wrote: No, H Sap is a vicious brute. Our spawn will find a way to survive.

Such was certainly Captain Kirk's mentality; Captain Picard, on the other hand, was a bit more practical.

I'm working on involuntary human extinction...

(December 31, 2022 at 9:30 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(December 31, 2022 at 9:06 am)Fireball Wrote: No, H Sap is a vicious brute. Our spawn will find a way to survive.

Such was certainly Captain Kirk's mentality; Captain Picard, on the other hand, was a bit more practical.

I would not say the picard mentality is practical, more like foolishly quixotic.l

his concept of nobility ensures the future will be depleted in those with similar sentiments, and comparatively enriched in those with the opposite sentiment