If you grew out your childish misgivings about him, you would have grown into an adult understanding that he does not exist.   

 But You didn’t.   So you didn’t grow.  You are still a child, just a more infantile, more deluded, and more repugnantly bratish of a child who lost a good thing that had been granted to the child.

(January 10, 2023 at 8:53 am)Authari Wrote:

(January 10, 2023 at 8:33 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: Dude, you blew your brains out with dope.

I don't hate God because I find it impossible to hate a fictional character.

Naturally you can't explain just how I managed to find God so your explanation is 'he blew his brains out', and that nothing good comes from marijuana, and you insist on calling it 'dope' meaning you already have negative views of it in the first place.

You have told us that you found God by means of a hallucinogenic herb. We're just taking you at your word.

(January 10, 2023 at 8:53 am)Authari Wrote: If you respected it you would not call it 'dope'. And I find its quite often that people hate fictional characters Joffrey that young character in Game of Thrones was most universally 'hated' by everyone probably including you.

You were correct to put 'hated' in scare quotes. Fictional characters can be 'hated' for their fictional deeds or for being poorly writtn. But Joffry never really did anything to anyone, so the most hatred anyone can feel for him is 'hatred'.

(January 10, 2023 at 8:53 am)Authari Wrote: So its actually very easy to hate a fictional character.

And the honest scare quotes conveniently disappear.

(January 10, 2023 at 8:53 am)Authari Wrote: No I think you not only hate God, you're actually afraid that one day you might end up believing in God again. There are after all so many atheists who were atheists for over a decade (such as myself) who ended up believing in God after we grew out of our childish misgivings against him.

Misgivings against God have no bearing on whether God is real. I have misgivings about Joffrey, that has no bearing on whether or not Joffrey is real. If I found out Joffrey was secretly a good guy all along, or completely reformed, I wouldn't suddenly start thinking Joffrey is real. That would be inane. If I found out that Joffrey was a real historical person that RR stole whole cloth, but the real Joffrey was even worse than the fictional one, I would accept the existence of the real, historical Joffrey if historians agreed he was real.

If God was as portrayed in the Bible, vindictive and arguably incompetent, I would believe in him if he made his existence objectively clear. It would be hard to worship him sincerely, but I'd have to believe he's real.

If God was a lovey-dovey hippie of impecable character doing the best he can in a big universe but has limitations on its power that keep it from making everything great but is still the most powerful being there is...I wouldn't be any more likely to believe it's real if it doesn't make it's existence objectively clear.

Misgivings or the lack thereof are irrelevant to whether I believe something is real.

(January 10, 2023 at 10:30 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(January 10, 2023 at 8:53 am)Authari Wrote: Naturally you can't explain just how I managed to find God so your explanation is 'he blew his brains out', and that nothing good comes from marijuana, and you insist on calling it 'dope' meaning you already have negative views of it in the first place.

You have told us that you found God by means of a hallucinogenic herb. We're just taking you at your word.

(January 10, 2023 at 8:53 am)Authari Wrote: If you respected it you would not call it 'dope'. And I find its quite often that people hate fictional characters Joffrey that young character in Game of Thrones was most universally 'hated' by everyone probably including you.

You were correct to put 'hated' in scare quotes. Fictional characters can be 'hated' for their fictional deeds or for being poorly writtn. But Joffry never really did anything to anyone, so the most hatred anyone can feel for him is 'hatred'.

(January 10, 2023 at 8:53 am)Authari Wrote: So its actually very easy to hate a fictional character.

And the honest scare quotes conveniently disappear.

(January 10, 2023 at 8:53 am)Authari Wrote: No I think you not only hate God, you're actually afraid that one day you might end up believing in God again. There are after all so many atheists who were atheists for over a decade (such as myself) who ended up believing in God after we grew out of our childish misgivings against him.

Misgivings against God have no bearing on whether God is real. I have misgivings about Joffrey, that has no bearing on whether or not Joffrey is real. If I found out Joffrey was secretly a good guy all along, or completely reformed, I wouldn't suddenly start thinking Joffrey is real. That would be inane. If I found out that Joffrey was a real historical person that RR stole whole cloth, but the real Joffrey was even worse than the fictional one, I would accept the existence of the real, historical Joffrey if historians agreed he was real.

If God was as portrayed in the Bible, vindictive and arguably incompetent, I would believe in him if he made his existence objectively clear. It would be hard to worship him sincerely, but I'd have to believe he's real.

If God was a lovey-dovey hippie of impecable character doing the best he can in a big universe but has limitations on its power that keep it from making everything great but is still the most powerful being there is...I wouldn't be any more likely to believe it's real if it doesn't make it's existence objectively clear.

Misgivings or the lack thereof are irrelevant to whether I believe something is real.

Ah so you only don't believe in the fictional God of the Bible? Surely then you must believe in the Historical God that the writers of the Bible stole 'whole cloth'

(January 10, 2023 at 10:47 am)Authari Wrote:

(January 10, 2023 at 10:30 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: You have told us that you found God by means of a hallucinogenic herb. We're just taking you at your word.


You were correct to put 'hated' in scare quotes. Fictional characters can be 'hated' for their fictional deeds or for being poorly writtn. But Joffry never really did anything to anyone, so the most hatred anyone can feel for him is 'hatred'.


And the honest scare quotes conveniently disappear.


Misgivings against God have no bearing on whether God is real. I have misgivings about Joffrey, that has no bearing on whether or not Joffrey is real. If I found out Joffrey was secretly a good guy all along, or completely reformed, I wouldn't suddenly start thinking Joffrey is real. That would be inane. If I found out that Joffrey was a real historical person that RR stole whole cloth, but the real Joffrey was even worse than the fictional one, I would accept the existence of the real, historical Joffrey if historians agreed he was real.

If God was as portrayed in the Bible, vindictive and arguably incompetent, I would believe in him if he made his existence objectively clear. It would be hard to worship him sincerely, but I'd have to believe he's real.

If God was a lovey-dovey hippie of impecable character doing the best he can in a big universe but has limitations on its power that keep it from making everything great but is still the most powerful being there is...I wouldn't be any more likely to believe it's real if it doesn't make it's existence objectively clear.

Misgivings or the lack thereof are irrelevant to whether I believe something is real.

Ah so you only don't believe in the fictional God of the Bible? Surely then you must believe in the Historical God that the writers of the Bible stole 'whole cloth'

I don't believe any god is really real. If I did, that would make me a theist. I am not aware of any historical evidence for God, and I don't see how historical evidence could support the existence of an omnipotent being that created the universe.

(January 10, 2023 at 10:53 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(January 10, 2023 at 10:47 am)Authari Wrote: Ah so you only don't believe in the fictional God of the Bible? Surely then you must believe in the Historical God that the writers of the Bible stole 'whole cloth'

I don't believe any god is really real. If I did, that would make me a theist. I am not aware of any historical evidence for God, and I don't see how historical evidence could support the existence of an omnipotent being that created the universe.

He didn't 'create' the universe... God IS the Universe. And there is a lot of evidence to support the fact that the Universe exists.

And that evidence is....

(January 10, 2023 at 11:05 am)arewethereyet Wrote: And that evidence is....

Did you really just ask me for evidence for the universe existing?

(January 10, 2023 at 11:19 am)Authari Wrote:

(January 10, 2023 at 11:05 am)arewethereyet Wrote: And that evidence is....

Did you really just ask me for evidence for the universe existing?

She did. Can you provide some?

Boru

Meh, energy probably is the essence of sentience, in the same way that mint is the essence of mint chocolate chip ice cream. I'm not so sure energy is alive though, and...frankly, it seems cross purpose to assert as much, considering that we're proposing a sentient entity which would not be alive by any of the many loose definitions of life - and so, we have a problem. The thing you want to tell us about, a god, a creator with a capital c, is unlikely to be an animal..for example... in your description of it. Just as your own example of a sentient rock. The rock is sentient, but not alive. Like AI might be. Is energy malfunctioning in the case of rocks, ai, and gods, or can we dispense with the second assertion as a failure of your own imagination or terms - in favor of preserving the first?

(January 10, 2023 at 11:30 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 10, 2023 at 11:19 am)Authari Wrote: Did you really just ask me for evidence for the universe existing?

She did. Can you provide some?

Boru