(March 25, 2023 at 3:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: i think those who misgender people out of revulsion towards gendering them correctly should themselves be referred to by the gender neutral pronoun “it”

So do unto others as you do not want them to do unto you?  Is this atheistic morality?

you can do onto criminals many things that criminals have no right to do unto those were innocent

(March 25, 2023 at 2:03 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 10:06 am)arewethereyet Wrote: For some reason, a person's sexual orientation has never been an issue for me.  It may be because I had a great aunt who never married and dressed in what would be considered a quite masculine manner back in the day...she even smoked a pipe.  I just never took the time to concern myself over what anyone else was doing with their parts....as long a what they did was consensual.

I simply don't understand why people are so worried about it.  I will surely mess up pronouns and such...I am still very much a ma'am and sir person and after nearly 66 years that's a little hard to shake.  And I have goofed up but found that trying to fix it seems to make it worse and more uncomfortable.

Changing body parts is something I was forced into thanks to breast cancer.  I had to learn to deal with it.  For someone to choose to make a body change that's similar can't be an easy thing to do or something done on a whim.

Governing and judging others based on their body parts, their wish for a body change, or who they are attracted to is just something I don't want to have to pencil into my day.

Would you be content with losing your job for misgendering someone?  If you had an eight-year-old daughter, would you be fine with her having to shower next to someone with a penis?  I wish we lived in a society where these things did not affect us, but they do.

Accidentally misgendering someone is one thing.  Continuing to do it to be an ass is disrespectful and should come with some sort of HR action.

As for gang showers and eight year olds...I don't know what you are babbling about but in my life, my daughters' lives, and my granddaughters' lives, that's not even a thing.

Rave on.

(March 23, 2023 at 11:50 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(March 23, 2023 at 10:40 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: You theists and your obsession with who people have sex with. It’s fucking weird, dude.

Really? you undermine the importance of sexuality; and discussion about it?

Look. Sexual orientation can be used as a torture method (prisons and their single gender laws).

Homosexuality is not a natural thing; it is a manufactured consequence for lots of intended or unintended actions.

Homosexual behavior, in some form or another, is observed throughout the sexually reproducing animal kingdom. What, exactly, is your definition of “natural”?

(March 25, 2023 at 5:00 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 3:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: i think those who misgender people out of revulsion towards gendering them correctly should themselves be referred to by the gender neutral pronoun “it”

So do unto others as you do not want them to do unto you?  Is this atheistic morality?

So, denigrate and marginalize people who don’t behave as you do? Is this Christian morality?

Boru

Quote:Well, you should contact the US Government and tell them that their, "This is Who We Are" training is in error because it literally says you can lose your job for using the wrong pronouns.  

No, it doesn't. It states pretty much what I stated.

Quote:Isn't it up to the child's parents what naked people they are allowed to be around?  Or do you know better than they do now too?

No, it is not up to the parents. If you're going into a public space where nudity is going to be a thing you don't get a say. The only thing they get a say in is whether their child goes there.

(March 25, 2023 at 5:19 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Homosexual behavior, in some form or another, is observed throughout the sexually reproducing animal kingdom. What, exactly, is your definition of “natural”?

I'd want to be careful here of the "naturalistic fallacy" -- "it's natural therefore it's good." That can be tricky.

Since I'm a romantic, I prefer the passionate declaration: "I don't care if it's against nature, I love you so much let's run away together!" 

And I wish them well.

Let's say that eight year olds are taking gang showers...what if one of them is starting to feel urges toward girls? How do we weed out the *gasp* future lesbians, bisexuals, gender fluids, etc. etc. etc? Hmmmm?

Surely you have thought this through since you are so concerned about the sexuality of others.

Quote:Really? you undermine the importance of sexuality; and discussion about it?

Your obsession over it is just weird 

Quote:Look. Sexual orientation can be used as a torture method (prisons and their single gender laws).

Nonsense

Quote:Homosexuality is not a natural thing; it is a manufactured consequence for lots of intended or unintended actions.

Yes it is a natural thing.

Quote:I'd want to be careful here of the "naturalistic fallacy" -- "it's natural therefore it's good." That can be tricky.

Since I'm a romantic, I prefer the passionate declaration: "I don't care if it's against nature, I love you so much let's run away together!" 

And I wish them well.

Nowhere did she say it's natural therefore it's good.