(March 25, 2023 at 10:00 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 9:48 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Evidence.

You've been defending sexually mature people with penises being naked around little girls.

  Teen Girl Blasts YMCA Trans Policy after Encountering Naked Man in Women’s Locker Room (yahoo.com)

Now you're just lying.  I asked for evidence when  you said

Quote:I am just against the sexualization of children which apparently you support.

in regards to Arewethereyet; Point to where they defend sexualization of children


Since you wanna play this game, let's play; let's start with an easy one.  Should the shower a person uses, say at a YMCA be limited to their assigned gender at birth?

(March 25, 2023 at 10:05 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 10:00 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: You've been defending sexually mature people with penises being naked around little girls.

  Teen Girl Blasts YMCA Trans Policy after Encountering Naked Man in Women’s Locker Room (yahoo.com)

Now you're just lying.  I asked for evidence when  you said

Quote:I am just against the sexualization of children which apparently you support.

in regards to Arewethereyet; Point to where they defend sexualization of children


Since you wanna play this game, let's play; let's start with an easy one.  Should the shower a person uses, say at a YMCA be limited to their assigned gender at birth?

Easy.  It should be assigned based on their biological sex and adults should not be naked around others' children. Solved.

(March 25, 2023 at 9:54 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 6:51 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: 1) Show me where it says that. I'm not even saying it doesn't say that (though I suspect that if they do say using the wrong pronouns is a firing offense, it's only if it's done intentionally and/or for the purpose of hurting the person in question), but I couldn't find any information on said program (which I hadn't even heard of before you mentioned it) saying so.

2) Like I and AWTY said, group showering among 8-year-olds is not really a thing in the US. And are you assuming that the sexuality of transwomen is inherently predatory because they were assigned as male at birth? Because that's really the only reason to be this concerned specifically about transwomen invading women's spaces to abuse women. If that's their parents' concern, then they're wrong because I've looked at a lot of cases that are claimed to be examples of transwomen invading women's spaces, and I can count the cases where the perp even actually played the gender identity card on my fingers. And the majority of those offenders already had a prior record for sex offenses.

I am surprised you have never heard of that training since there are thousands of employees who have had to take it.  This Is Who We Are | US Forest Service (usda.gov)

So you are conceding that there are men who claim to be trans that are getting into women's locker rooms? What's the test for a real trans person then so we can weed them out?

1) Forgive me for not being up to the training procedures of the US Forest Service. And I can't find anything about pronouns in that PDF.
2) For one thing, the vast majority of the time, they're not claiming to be transgender.

(March 25, 2023 at 10:15 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 9:54 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I am surprised you have never heard of that training since there are thousands of employees who have had to take it.  This Is Who We Are | US Forest Service (usda.gov)

So you are conceding that there are men who claim to be trans that are getting into women's locker rooms? What's the test for a real trans person then so we can weed them out?

1) Forgive me for not being up to the training procedures of the US Forest Service. And I can't find anything about pronouns in that PDF.
2) For one thing, the vast majority of the time, they're not claiming to be transgender.

You should take the training, might find it a bit alarming.

If they're not claiming to be trans, then how are they getting into the women's locker room?  The man in the Yahoo article claimed to be transgender.  Just for the reecord though, could you give me the test for whether someone is actually trans or not?

You need to be more clear.

Is your concern the presence of a penis in showers being used by eight year old girls that are attached to adults or to eight year old boys?

Or are you just trolling....that seems more likely.

(March 25, 2023 at 10:13 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 10:05 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Now you're just lying.  I asked for evidence when  you said
in regards to Arewethereyet; Point to where they defend sexualization of children


Since you wanna play this game, let's play; let's start with an easy one.  Should the shower a person uses, say at a YMCA be limited to their assigned gender at birth?

Easy.  It should be assigned based on their biological sex and adults should not be naked around others' children. Solved.

Super easy

So you want this person in the women's shower with young girls?


No google.

(March 25, 2023 at 10:20 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: You need to be more clear.

Is your concern the presence of a penis in showers being used by eight year old girls that are attached to adults or to eight year old boys?

Or are you just trolling....that seems more likely.

Well, where I come from if someone walked through a playground with their penis out they'd be arrested and charged.  You seem to think that's magically ok if it happens in a locker room? Of if they're trans?  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59kf86v_Cpc

(March 25, 2023 at 10:25 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 10:13 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Easy.  It should be assigned based on their biological sex and adults should not be naked around others' children. Solved.

Super easy

So you want this person in the women's shower with young girls?


No google.

Did you not read what I wrote?  Not other people's kids.

(March 25, 2023 at 10:17 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 10:15 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: 1) Forgive me for not being up to the training procedures of the US Forest Service. And I can't find anything about pronouns in that PDF.
2) For one thing, the vast majority of the time, they're not claiming to be transgender.

You should take the training, might find it a bit alarming.

If they're not claiming to be trans, then how are they getting into the women's locker room?  The man in the Yahoo article claimed to be transgender.  Just for the reecord though, could you give me the test for whether someone is actually trans or not?

1) Are you actually going to provide any evidence that "This is Who We Are" is recommending people who accidentally misgender people get fired?
2) It's just as easy as walking through a door. It's not like there's some mysterious force that locks the door the second it turns out that someone with a penis or who identifies as male touches it. If someone's ready to commit sexual assault, the relatively minor offense of walking into a locker room labeled for women won't faze them.
3) How to tell if someone's trans? Ask them.

(March 25, 2023 at 10:27 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(March 25, 2023 at 10:25 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Super easy

So you want this person in the women's shower with young girls?


No google.

Did you not read what I wrote?  Not other people's kids.

You didn't answer.  Also it's interesting you bring up the YMCA because my very first job was as a janitor there and every week they had children's swim classes, once done the boys would shower and often horse around the locker room naked while getting dressed.

In that same locker some other guys were getting dressed too, I assume you'd want them arrested, correct?

An no there isn't/ wasn't a separate lockerroom for children.