It's..on one hand, weird that the religious have gone that route recently - and otoh entirely predictable since they are also products of the same secularized culture that leads godless heathens here to say the sorts of things about religion that we do.

Honestly, though, if a person has a god but no religion - they have something like a belief in the tooth fairy. Meaningless. Trivia. Just what sorts of things that go bump that they believe in.

(June 26, 2023 at 3:14 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I think we can all agree at this point, in a shameless self-plug sort of way, that I never defended my questionable beliefs nearly as hard as this Farmer guy is defending his own questionable beliefs?

You suck but not quite as much as this Farmer Guy?

(June 26, 2023 at 3:41 pm)brewer Wrote:

(June 26, 2023 at 3:34 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: Religion is Not a construct of God. Religion is a construct of man. Religion can be whatever man wants it to be even fanatical dedication to a non deity like science.

So, since you didn't respond to my previous post I'm going to ask again. Did your parents take you to any particular church or denomination as a child or are you going to claim that you find a 'personal relationship' all on your own? (remember god hates lies, even half truths)

My father was a bigamist. (would not divorce my mother, but kept a side piece that 'we' think she fathered a loser son for him drugs prison etc, even today. he kept her on the side till he died in 2019) So not really a religious person growing up.

My mother was but did not speak English very well, so she went to a church that spoke her language, and in her culture children of mixed race were not accepted in the 70s and 80s. So we were not allowed in the church building durning church service. My sister and I generally stay out and played on the play ground till we were old enough to refuse to go. (They did not have an English speaking children's program.) 

My father would not allow us to go to any other church with friends in the 70s and 80s. The mistress found a very progressive church and my father made us all go including my mother (she had to quit her church to do this) So my mom my dad his side piece and 3 kids (not the side piece loser son) all went to this progressive church for a few months.. Then people started asking questions and Side piece became our 'aunt.' I forgot how they found out that she was not related and My dad just had us all quit. didn't set foot in a church from about the 6th grade till my mid 20s.

so no, no particular church no specific denomination. Maybe that's why The church I did go to was a non denominational church, and when I moved out into the country I just started going and supporting the local baptist church. As again I see a clear line between the religious aspect of worship and having an active relationship with God. This allows me the freedom to go into any Jesus Christ centered church and worship God one on one, and not resign my beliefs over to denominationally specific practices. Which is how and why I do not have to accept or teach YEC principles nor subscribe to the accept Ark narrative that most baptists do.

(June 26, 2023 at 4:01 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(June 26, 2023 at 8:45 am)R-Farmer Wrote: so?

So he is very gullible.

You get he just asks questions on his show right? reasonable questions any one would have. It is not like the evening news where he is trying to direct the conversation. he simply allows his guest to speak freely. Now occasionally he will call bullshit, but even so rather than dismissing the guest right away he demands evidence and support for whatever the subject matter is.

Which is why I said the name of the show is the Joe rogan experience/pod cast and I point out he had a published peer reviewed geologist on the show who was providing evidence for a world wide flood. This was in response to someone saying there was no evidence for a world wide flood. Which again according to this published geologist (Not Joe Rogan) there was. The popular interpretation of these geological anomalies simply have been assigned a different explanation is all. So evidence exists, pop culture just believes it to be evidence of something else. Maybe  after my 30/30 probationary period is over I can post and segment out the video to a few mins, and you can see it and decide for yourself.

Which is what the show is all about.

(June 26, 2023 at 4:29 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(June 26, 2023 at 3:34 pm)iR-Farmer Wrote: Religion is Not a construct of God. Religion is a construct of man. Religion can be whatever man wants it to be even fanatical dedication to a non deity like science.

got news for you, buddy, god is a construct of man, and a construct not of very good, nor very wise, nor men disposed to either really know nor reall base their utterances on, reality, nor fundamentally very honest men either.   and its real reason for continued existence is to exploit the gullibility and enlist the siren of easy but false overarching answers to perpetuate iniquity, ignorance, deceit, misrule, and undeserved privilege that would be hard to defend had reality been

You are so busy talking past me, you don't even understand the implications of what I said. you clearly just assume what my position would or should be and just speak as if you are the only one here.

(June 27, 2023 at 8:14 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 26, 2023 at 3:41 pm)brewer Wrote: So, since you didn't respond to my previous post I'm going to ask again. Did your parents take you to any particular church or denomination as a child or are you going to claim that you find a 'personal relationship' all on your own? (remember god hates lies, even half truths)

My father was a bigamist. (would not divorce my mother, but kept a side piece that 'we' think she fathered a loser son for him drugs prison etc, even today. he kept her on the side till he died in 2019) So not really a religious person growing up.

My mother was but did not speak English very well, so she went to a church that spoke her language, and in her culture children of mixed race were not accepted in the 70s and 80s. So we were not allowed in the church building durning church service. My sister and I generally stay out and played on the play ground till we were old enough to refuse to go. (They did not have an English speaking children's program.) 

My father would not allow us to go to any other church with friends in the 70s and 80s. The mistress found a very progressive church and my father made us all go including my mother (she had to quit her church to do this) So my mom my dad his side piece and 3 kids (not the side piece loser son) all went to this progressive church for a few months.. Then people started asking questions and Side piece became our 'aunt.' I forgot how they found out that she was not related and My dad just had us all quit. didn't set foot in a church from about the 6th grade till my mid 20s.

so no, no particular church no specific denomination. Maybe that's why The church I did go to was a non denominational church, and when I moved out into the country I just started going and supporting the local baptist church. As again I see a clear line between the religious aspect of worship and having an active relationship with God. This allows me the freedom to go into any Jesus Christ centered church and worship God one on one, and not resign my beliefs over to denominationally specific practices. Which is how and why I do not have to accept or teach YEC principles nor subscribe to the accept Ark narrative that most baptists do.

From what you're saying you were indoctrinated as a child (in some form). Got it. A kind of cafeteria belief, you (not god) get to pick and choose. Not realy the word of god but your own particular conception.

Why do you need to "go into any Jesus Christ centered church and worship God one on one"? Can't you do that on your own? If your still attending any church you're particapating in groupthink.

(June 26, 2023 at 4:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Correct, religion can be whatever it wants to be.  What have you done, as a man?  Do you think this flood bullshit might be indicative of your fanatical dedication to a non deity? 

Religion is a system the requires blind adherence to the rules and precepts with in.

I have presented anon religious logistical theory on how a limited space ark could possible house 100s of thousand more lives than the standard religious narrative. So No I have not blindly accepted the religious narrative. Then on the scientific said no part of the ark narrative is allowed or accepted.

So again I don't blindly follow any one or anything. Could this be considered fanatism by someone on the outside looking in? Sure, why not?
As is often the case One man's fanatical behavior is another man's simple belief.

Quote:Do you think that your religion could be improved by cutting that sort of shit out?

What is it doing, anyway, to require such a doomed defense?

the religious aspect? yes. The relationship with god aspect? no.

(June 27, 2023 at 8:24 am)R-Farmer Wrote: Joe rogan experience/pod cast and I point out he had a published peer reviewed geologist on the show who was providing evidence for a world wide flood.

In this show that you mention the guests were Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock none of which have education or credentials in geology. Both Hancock and Carlson admitted that their views on ancient history (human and geological) are shaped by psychedelic drugs.

So you are lying again.

(June 27, 2023 at 8:29 am)brewer Wrote: From what you're saying you were indoctrinated as a child (in some form).

indeed. I went full atheist after that progressive church experience was over.. So from about grade 6 forward my beliefs about god and the world matched my dad's world view. Which meant I could justify anything I wanted to do so long as it didn't hurt no one. Just like he did. Which is probably why I spent the next 10 years of Sundays doing whatever he did.

Quote:Got it. A kind of cafeteria belief, you (not god) get to pick and choose. Not realy the word of god but your own particular conception.

yes my father knew enough bible to use it to justify whatever he did, and I picked this up as well.

Quote:Why do you need to "go into any Jesus Christ centered church and worship God one on one"?

I don't need to go to church at all. I can literally do whatever I want. But the point of worship is not about you/me. It's about bringing glory to god. which is just easier in a Jesus Christ centered church.

Quote:Can't you do that on your own? If your still attending any church you're particapating in groupthink.

I go to church to help those who go to the church who are in need. again going to church is not about what I get out of it it is about giving to others.

(June 27, 2023 at 8:14 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 26, 2023 at 3:41 pm)brewer Wrote: So, since you didn't respond to my previous post I'm going to ask again. Did your parents take you to any particular church or denomination as a child or are you going to claim that you find a 'personal relationship' all on your own? (remember god hates lies, even half truths)

My father was a bigamist. (would not divorce my mother, but kept a side piece that 'we' think she fathered a loser son for him drugs prison etc, even today. he kept her on the side till he died in 2019) So not really a religious person growing up.

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My mother was but did not speak English very well, so she went to a church that spoke her language, and in her culture children of mixed race were not accepted in the 70s and 80s. So we were not allowed in the church building durning church service. My sister and I generally stay out and played on the play ground till we were old enough to refuse to go. (They did not have an English speaking children's program.) 

My father would not allow us to go to any other church with friends in the 70s and 80s. The mistress found a very progressive church and my father made us all go including my mother (she had to quit her church to do this) So my mom my dad his side piece and 3 kids (not the side piece loser son) all went to this progressive church for a few months.. Then people started asking questions and Side piece became our 'aunt.' I forgot how they found out that she was not related and My dad just had us all quit. didn't set foot in a church from about the 6th grade till my mid 20s.

so no, no particular church no specific denomination. Maybe that's why The church I did go to was a non denominational church, and when I moved out into the country I just started going and supporting the local baptist church. As again I see a clear line between the religious aspect of worship and having an active relationship with God. This allows me the freedom to go into any Jesus Christ centered church and worship God one on one, and not resign my beliefs over to denominationally specific practices. Which is how and why I do not have to accept or teach YEC principles nor subscribe to the accept Ark narrative that most baptists do.

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Your father was not a bigamist.  He was a cheater.  He didn't have two wives.

What else don't you understand?