(July 28, 2023 at 6:44 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: This month of July is the hottest July in 120,000 years.

Average Earth's temperature was 6 degrees Celsius higher for the last 500 million years.

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And in some countries. Government forces are trying to clear forest areas in order to build new coal mine despite massive resistance from the local population. In fact the Turkish government is even destroying olive trees (which are bringing enormous revenue to the economy) in order to expand coal-mining activities.

Yes, developing countries will build more and more coal power plants. Net-zero is impossible.

Quote:Since the late 70’s big oil companies basically know everything about climate change. Just like tobacco companies the need for money and more profit has pushed them to lobby for climate inaction and even today they are trying to challenge scientific unanimity by calling us “climate alarmists” and things like that.

They knew that northern countries will benefit from global warming and acted rationally.

That's cute, you believe that ff companies act in the best interests of society, rather than themselves. I wouldn't try to convince their shareholders of that, it'd get a ceo fired.

(July 28, 2023 at 8:09 am)arewethereyet Wrote: It's still feckin' hot.  And it's not supposed to get better soon.

And thanks to the Neo-Byzantine Emperor Belisarius who is (obviously) a climate sceptic it is about to get worse. I am going to share some of the dramatic pictures against the government efforts to destroy a millennia old beautiful forest in the South-Western regions of Turkey (Akbelen-Mugla – Near İzmir). Their aim is to extract coal (as in Climate change triggering coal) after having destroyed these beautyfull trees. Forget about the dramatic events and focus on the beauty of those trees (+ the local people of course). All of this in an effort to replace trees with a forest for apartment buildings in an effort they dare to call civilization. So let me ask this. When I am in one of those huge metropolitan areas anywhere in the world (being some sort of historian) I am always thinking, “What civilization has ever created something as ugly as this?” (meaning the entirely concrete covered areas we dare to call cities).
 
Whatever. The area is now the center of the most massive anti-government protests since the Gezi protests of Istanbul in 2013:
 
https://www.duvarenglish.com/topics/akbelen

Quote:Average Earth's temperature was 6 degrees Celsius higher for the last 500 million years.

Which says nothing about what rises temperature now .Climate denialists  seem to think previous high temperatures somehow negate the cause of current  temperatures (spoilers it doesn't)

Quote:Yes, developing countries will build more and more coal power plants. Net-zero is impossible.

False 

Quote:They knew that northern countries will benefit from global warming and acted rationally.

In the long term they won't and no they are acting irrationally

Quote:Just send them to Alaska.

In the long run Alaska will suffer just as much as everywhere else shifting the problem  doesn't solve it

(July 28, 2023 at 8:46 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

(July 26, 2023 at 6:20 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: I think that a housing plan for these people is necessary for these people, at least during summer months. I think they might start dying in mass.

Just send them to Alaska.

That's not very funny there are 5000 of them in L.A. / 6000 Phoenix. 3 / 4 thousand in other southern state capitals. I’m not even advocating places with A/C. Just some minimal housing in which they could have laundry + showers.
 
Besides: Housing programs in Canada for homeless people has resulted in an important percentage of them quitting their alcohol addictions + finding jobs and leaving the government provided housings with their own means.

(July 28, 2023 at 8:54 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

(July 28, 2023 at 6:44 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: This month of July is the hottest July in 120,000 years.

Average Earth's temperature was 6 degrees Celsius higher for the last 500 million years.

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And in some countries. Government forces are trying to clear forest areas in order to build new coal mine despite massive resistance from the local population. In fact the Turkish government is even destroying olive trees (which are bringing enormous revenue to the economy) in order to expand coal-mining activities.

Yes, developing countries will build more and more coal power plants. Net-zero is impossible.

Quote:Since the late 70’s big oil companies basically know everything about climate change. Just like tobacco companies the need for money and more profit has pushed them to lobby for climate inaction and even today they are trying to challenge scientific unanimity by calling us “climate alarmists” and things like that.

They knew that northern countries will benefit from global warming and acted rationally.

1) Here is a good explanation of the current situation:
 https://www.climate.gov/news-features/cl...-ever-been
 
My limited knowledge on this is: We are present on this earth at least since some 40,000 years. Intellect starts to appear in that period but there are other traces of us as far as 200,000 years. The Holocene era started 12,000 years ago. Ice caps retreated so we were able to build societies based on agriculture. Than the Anthropocene started at 1950. Scientists call this “The great acceleration” (and I greatly suggest everyone to read “The Climate Book” by Greta Thunberg. It’s a good combination of scientific articles that are being competed with articles written by the 18 year old climate activist). So World population was around 1 billion in 1800 and the two billion figure was only reached in 1930. After that it starts to double every few decade. But think that it took us about 12,000 years (starting from early farmer societies) to go from perhaps a few hundred thousand individual to just 1 billion. But that’s not what I wanted to say. What I want to say is that we are 8 billion now. 1 billion of us are already starving. So if the climate goes back to crocodiles in Antarctica, what is it that will happen to (most probably) all of us?

2) I love the Australian sland expression ".... all" (meaning zero). Please do check this video:





3) No. And that's my whole point about the human Ego. They spread conspiracy theories like that so that they keep making the "ching-ching". But that's how the human ego is. In they are going to get killed as much as we will get kileed

(July 28, 2023 at 10:21 am)Helios Wrote:

Quote:Just send them to Alaska.

In the long run Alaska will suffer just as much as everywhere else shifting the problem  doesn't solve it

There is a nice soap opera on Apple TV called “extrapolation”. In the near future (a few decades or so) we may see super-rich people moving to Greenland or even Antarctica for commercial / mining activities or even to establish new settlements etc.
 
But I want to remind you how people of different religious convictions (because of their collective egos) are fighting for the Temple Mound in Jerusalem (for instance).
 
Now very rich people will go and live on the south-pole (and Elon Musk will be on Mars) while Paris, Calcutta, and New-York city will be largely uninhabitable.
 
So how is this logical to do that so that perhaps 1% of humanity (who are responsible for as much CO2 emissions as the poorest 50% of humanity) can keep making money from coal / gas and oil?
 
As a generation, we have to stand up against that. And I don’t think it’s a “future thing” anymore

Climate migration started years ago - we just didn't want to call it that, for reasons.