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August 19, 2023 at 5:04 pm
Quote:The answer for me is a God who exists outside of time.
What the heck outside of time even mean ?
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August 19, 2023 at 5:13 pm
(August 19, 2023 at 5:04 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:The answer for me is a God who exists outside of time.
What the heck outside of time even mean ? "Doesn't exist"
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August 19, 2023 at 5:15 pm
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(August 19, 2023 at 5:04 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:The answer for me is a God who exists outside of time.
What the heck outside of time even mean ?
And how can something "outside of _________" influence something "inside ________" without becoming connected in some way to the inside? If there were some force "outside" the known universe, if it interacted with our universe in any way I'd expect to at least see some sort of energy imbalance at the point of entry.
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August 19, 2023 at 5:43 pm
(August 19, 2023 at 5:15 pm)Astreja Wrote: (August 19, 2023 at 5:04 pm)Helios Wrote: What the heck outside of time even mean ?
And how can something "outside of _________" influence something "inside ________" without becoming connected in some way to the inside? If there were some force "outside" the known universe, if it interacted with our universe in any way I'd expect to at least see some sort of energy imbalance at the point of entry.
That's basically the mind-body problem and better philosophers than Marlon Rando here have beaten their heads raw over it.
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August 19, 2023 at 5:47 pm
(August 19, 2023 at 5:15 pm)Astreja Wrote: (August 19, 2023 at 5:04 pm)Helios Wrote: What the heck outside of time even mean ?
And how can something "outside of _________" influence something "inside ________" without becoming connected in some way to the inside? If there were some force "outside" the known universe, if it interacted with our universe in any way I'd expect to at least see some sort of energy imbalance at the point of entry.
Stop being logical!
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August 19, 2023 at 6:13 pm
Good morning
St Augustine said that if you think you understand God, you don’t. So it’s not surprising you don’t. Nor I. But there is only one answer to the creation of the universe, and that is God. I know it’s an inconvenient answer to atheists, and agnostics, etc, and it is a real challenge for thinking theists, but that’s the answer. No scientist has come close to any other way explanation and there are and have been countless eminent scientists who are Christians.
So if you don’t understand, don’t worry. There are many things we don’t understand in life, but accept on faith. Faith is a gift from God. You can accept it, or reject it.
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August 19, 2023 at 6:25 pm
Welcome back. Do you really think that we atheists are all drifting through meaningless lives yearning for a meaningless death? Or is this going to be another one of the things you say but don't believe. Like how we're all terrible motherfuckers who harbor secret god beliefs. Or how the universes creation is compelling?
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August 19, 2023 at 6:26 pm
(August 19, 2023 at 6:13 pm)Barry Wrote: St Augustine said that if you think you understand God, you don’t. So it’s not surprising you don’t. Nor I. That's okay. The failure to understand something that does not exist is way down the list of problems.
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August 19, 2023 at 6:40 pm
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(August 19, 2023 at 6:13 pm)Barry Wrote: But there is only one answer to the creation of the universe, and that is God.
I get that you believe this, but your belief is not itself demonstration of anything. This is basically an argument from ignorance and is therefore facially invalid.
Btw, I'm still waiting for you to explain how something can precede something else without time. It sounds like you bit off more than you can chew.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 19, 2023 at 7:04 pm
(August 18, 2023 at 5:49 pm)Barry Wrote: (August 18, 2023 at 5:34 pm)no one Wrote: Bullshit! So what’s your explanation for the creation of the world?
Cheers Barry
Well to start the world wasn't created. It came into existence due to accretion of a relatively insignificant portion of the proto-solar nebula roughly 4.5 billion years ago. It has existed for less than third of the history of the universe, so there's a lot going on before it that you'll want to pay attention to.
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