(August 20, 2023 at 6:36 am)Barry Wrote:

(August 20, 2023 at 6:28 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: @Barry
What is your explanation for apostates and deconverts?

Hi FF
Free will
Cheers Barry

Your own scripture denies that free will exists.

Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

(August 20, 2023 at 4:13 am)Randy The Atheist Wrote: Something from nothing is a theme from the Genesis fables.

Absolute Nothing is a math concept only and recent experiments demonstrates that nothing is an impossible state in reality.

There was always something.

The standard deviation from the expected value of position (roughly the volume of a region) times the standard deviation from the expected value of the momentum in that region (the mass-energy and velocity of any particles contained within) must be greater than or equal to one half the reduced Planck constant.

If you have "nothing" in a region, then the second term becomes zero and Werner Heisenberg's inequality is violated for any size region under consideration.

That means there is never nothing.

(August 20, 2023 at 7:31 am)LinuxGal Wrote:

(August 20, 2023 at 6:36 am)Barry Wrote: Hi FF
Free will
Cheers Barry

Your own scripture denies that free will exists.

Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Sorry, no it doesn’t. You can’t have sin without free will. Nor forgiveness. Scripture is full of it. 

Cheers Barry

(August 20, 2023 at 8:08 am)Barry Wrote:

(August 20, 2023 at 7:31 am)LinuxGal Wrote: Your own scripture denies that free will exists.

Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Sorry, no it doesn’t. You can’t have sin without free will. Nor forgiveness. Scripture is full of it.

No, seriously, the passage literally denies free will.

Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

(August 20, 2023 at 6:45 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(August 20, 2023 at 6:34 am)Barry Wrote: Hi, wow that’s a lot to unload on me. 2+2 =4 or not. How can the existence of God not be binary? Saying you don’t know the answer is not an answer. That doesn’t make sense. I say the answer is yes, God exists. It doesn’t make me right. If you say “no”. One of us is right, the other wrong. The people who don’t know don’t have an answer. They are not right or wrong. I respect all 3 positions, buy it is binary.
Cheers Barry

You don't know the basics of logic and reason.

Saying "I don't know" is the only and correct answer when,  in fact, your don't know.

Example: what number am i thinking about right now?

It doesn’t answer the question of “does God exist?”. It answers the question “Do you know if God exists?”
And if you don’t know, that’s fine. It means you don’t know the answer. 
Cheers Barry

Cheers Barry

(August 20, 2023 at 7:48 am)LinuxGal Wrote:

(August 20, 2023 at 4:13 am)Randy The Atheist Wrote: Something from nothing is a theme from the Genesis fables.

Absolute Nothing is a math concept only and recent experiments demonstrates that nothing is an impossible state in reality.

There was always something.

The standard deviation from the expected value of position (roughly the volume of a region) times the standard deviation from the expected value of the momentum in that region (the mass-energy and velocity of any particles contained within) must be greater than or equal to one half the reduced Planck constant.

If you have "nothing" in a region, then the second term becomes zero and Werner Heisenberg's inequality is violated for any size region under consideration.

That means there is never nothing.

I think the explanation of what you just said is a refrigerator.  
Cheers Barry

(August 20, 2023 at 8:15 am)Barry Wrote:

(August 20, 2023 at 7:48 am)LinuxGal Wrote: If you have "nothing" in a region, then the second term becomes zero and Werner Heisenberg's inequality is violated for any size region under consideration.

I think the explanation of what you just said is a refrigerator. 

The Orca has Breached.

Shave the Sheep on Tuesday.

Why would someone freely leave the Christian faith if they believed it to be true?

(August 20, 2023 at 8:33 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Why would someone freely leave the Christian faith if they believed it to be true?

As long as they believe it to be true, then they are still "in" the Christian faith.  As soon as they no longer believe it to be true, then they have left the Christian faith.  So your question is why would someone stop believing Christianity was true.  An international conspiracy to cover up the systematic sexual abuse of minors is what did me in.

(August 20, 2023 at 6:17 am)Barry Wrote:

(August 20, 2023 at 1:12 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: Prove it!

Hi Gwaithmir
Good point. I presume you can’t prove God doesn’t exist? So you have a problem there. The burden of proof isn’t just mine. 

But let’s presume it is. 

What would convince you that God exists? 

Cheers Barry

Don't change the subject. Prove your claim about there being only one possible explanation for the universe.