thar would be the 4th lunar lander in a row to have left its mark on the surface of the moon, so to speak, after the Israeli, Japanese and Indian landers all touched down rather more energetically than their designers might have wished. 

For Russia this would also be the 4th space probe in a row to beyond low earth orbit that failed completely.    However, unlike other people, who tend to be focused, pursue a single objective, learn from their failure, keep what worked, and eventually succeed,  Each of Russia’s last 4 failure is an essentially unique design, following a unique mission profile, pursuing a different objective.     It is as if they live in mortal terror of accidentally learning from their mistakes.

(August 20, 2023 at 2:08 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: that would be a the 4th lunar lander in a row to have left its mark on the surface of the moon, so to speak, after the Israeli, Japanese and Indian landers all touched down rather more energetically than their designers might have wished. 

For Russia this would also be the 4th space probe in a row to beyond low earth orbit that failed completely.    However, unlike other people, who tend to be focused, pursue a single objective, learn from their failure, keep what worked, and eventually succeed,  Each of Russia’s last 4 failure is an essentially unique design, following a unique mission profile, pursuing a different objective.     It is as if they live in mortal terror of accidentally learning from their mistakes.

Is Nazi NATO term, this word "failure".  Is special landing operation.

Yet another marker of superpower status slips from their grasp ...

in fairness to the russians, the first post-Soviet attempt at a lunar landing mission actually succeeded in hitting the moon. The first Soviet attempt at a lunar landing mission actually missed the moon by roughly 100 times lunar diameters and became the world’s first artificial asteroid by accident.

(August 20, 2023 at 2:45 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: in fairness to the russians,  the first post-Soviet attempt at a lunar landing mission actually succeeded in hitting the moon.    The first Soviet attempt at a lunar landing mission actually missed the moon by roughly 100 times lunar diameters and became the world’s first artificial asteroid by accident.

By that metric this latest one was a smashing success.

Succesful lithobreaking (selenebreaking??)

The surface of the moon is covered by up to 100 feet of regolith, so the chance of a any of the probe impacts excavating to bedrock, seems very slight

(August 20, 2023 at 3:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: The surface of the moon is covered by up to 100 feet of regolith, so the chance of a any of the probe impacts excavating to bedrock, seems very slight

It's a fundie talking point that the moon only has 6,000 years worth of dust on it, because the astronauts only sank a quarter inch into the regolith (if you can get them to admit Apollo wasn't fake).  Actual materials engineers tried to tell them that's not how dust works, but that went over like Dr. Fauci telling 'em to vax up.

maybe in fundie world they should all sink out of sight until the sand close over their heads whenever they walk on beaches or sand dunes

Maybe the Russians thought they were aiming for a Ukrainian hospital.

Boru