(August 21, 2023 at 9:38 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:

Quote:Jesus said he was God. So, as CS Lewis and others said, if he wasn’t God he was a lier or a madman.

Having a false belief about oneself is not a sign of madness nor was he a liar if he truly believed it.

As Mark would have it, Jesus did NOT believe that he was God.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Now if John says he did believe he was God, that's not my problem, that's the believer's problem.

(August 21, 2023 at 10:09 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:

(August 21, 2023 at 9:38 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Having a false belief about oneself is not a sign of madness nor was he a liar if he truly believed it.

As Mark would have it, Jesus did NOT believe that he was God.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Now if John says he did believe he was God, that's not my problem, that's the believer's problem.

Exactly. Precisely. The divinity of Jesus is different in each gospel. 
In Mark, Jesus "earned" his divine status. 
In Mark, he was a human, and not a pre-existing divine being. He was "raised" to divine status (later). He was not a divine being either pre-existing and not while on Earth. 
One of the theme's in Mark is "the Messianic Secret". He earned divine status and was raised up later. These concepts are Bible 101 in any mainline university Biblical Studies program.

(August 21, 2023 at 10:09 pm)LinuxGal Wrote:

(August 21, 2023 at 9:38 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Having a false belief about oneself is not a sign of madness nor was he a liar if he truly believed it.

As Mark would have it, Jesus did NOT believe that he was God.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Now if John says he did believe he was God, that's not my problem, that's the believer's problem.

Do you really think @Barry will take Mark's word over that of Pope Irrelevant CCLXVI?

(August 21, 2023 at 5:20 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(August 21, 2023 at 2:55 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_...hilosophy)

Are you always this ignorant and childish ?
The state of science is where it is. Get over it, L'il Barry.
Obviously you think if you don't have the answer you want, you get to make one up. 
Would you rather have quack scientists lying about where science is ? 
Grow up.

There are no gods.
They don't love (a human emotion) us.
Stop lying to yourself.

Exactly how many "Loaves and Fishes" meals have YOU served to the homeless this past week ?

Burden of Proof :
"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim, especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.[1] This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence." Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion – "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" – which is known as the Sagan standard."

BTW, something you were totally wrong about.
After the second temple was destroyed by the Romans around 70 AD, the Jewish Rabbis were talking and writing about how to remake Judaism during the diaspora, in a way that would
make it consistent with no temple. THEY, (not Jesus) came up with "Love God and love your neighbor". It was the concern of the rabbis AT THE END of the First Century.
That fact is one of the reasons why scholars wonder if Jesus existed at all. The preaching of Jesus reflected the concerns of the rabbis at the END of the First Century, not the early 1st Century.
We get you are an amateur, and scholar of nothing, but you have no answer to this. At the end of the 1st Century, the Jewish High Priest required the Expulsion Curses be read at the end of EVERY synagogue service, as recorded in John's Gospel, saying the Way sect of JEWS, (as reported in Acts), were no longer welcome. In the year 400 CE, the Archbishop of Constantinople, St. John Chrysostom, (Istanbul today), told HIS congregation in his Christmas sermon, (which they still have) .. to STOP going to the synagogue. THEY were still Jews. The history of Christian orthodoxy is almost all lies.

FYI, you replied to me, not Barry. No worries, though.

(August 22, 2023 at 12:10 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(August 21, 2023 at 5:20 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Are you always this ignorant and childish ?
The state of science is where it is. Get over it, L'il Barry.
Obviously you think if you don't have the answer you want, you get to make one up. 
Would you rather have quack scientists lying about where science is ? 
Grow up.

There are no gods.
They don't love (a human emotion) us.
Stop lying to yourself.

Exactly how many "Loaves and Fishes" meals have YOU served to the homeless this past week ?

Burden of Proof :
"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim, especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.[1] This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence." Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion – "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" – which is known as the Sagan standard."

BTW, something you were totally wrong about.
After the second temple was destroyed by the Romans around 70 AD, the Jewish Rabbis were talking and writing about how to remake Judaism during the diaspora, in a way that would
make it consistent with no temple. THEY, (not Jesus) came up with "Love God and love your neighbor". It was the concern of the rabbis AT THE END of the First Century.
That fact is one of the reasons why scholars wonder if Jesus existed at all. The preaching of Jesus reflected the concerns of the rabbis at the END of the First Century, not the early 1st Century.
We get you are an amateur, and scholar of nothing, but you have no answer to this. At the end of the 1st Century, the Jewish High Priest required the Expulsion Curses be read at the end of EVERY synagogue service, as recorded in John's Gospel, saying the Way sect of JEWS, (as reported in Acts), were no longer welcome. In the year 400 CE, the Archbishop of Constantinople, St. John Chrysostom, (Istanbul today), told HIS congregation in his Christmas sermon, (which they still have) .. to STOP going to the synagogue. THEY were still Jews. The history of Christian orthodoxy is almost all lies.

FYI, you replied to me, not Barry. No worries, though.

Sorry.
Quotes here are not easy ... I'm getting better though.

(August 22, 2023 at 12:54 am)Ravenshire Wrote: Do you really think @Barry will take Mark's word over that of Pope Irrelevant CCLXVI?

Atheist: "The Bible says there's windows in the sky that open to let it rain."

Believer: "Where?"

Atheist: "Genesis 7:11"

Believer: "No way, it doesn't really mean that."

Atheist: "Okay, but it literally says that."

Believers: "The problem is you people don't believe the Bible."

Interesting.
The last few days, when Barry was here, the number of guests viewing this thread was fluctuating, but much higher then I have ever seen.
12, 17, 28, 34. Today, no Barry. No guests.
Can't be a coincidence. I wonder what they were up to ?
He was clearly not up to this, and in a way his "one trick" question seems weird.

(August 22, 2023 at 10:02 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Interesting.
The last few days, when Barry was here, the number of guests viewing this thread was fluctuating, but much higher then I have ever seen.
12, 17, 28, 34. Today, no Barry. No guests.
Can't be a coincidence. I wonder what they were up to ?
He was clearly not up to this, and in a way his "one trick" question seems weird.

He probably invited a bunch of other cathy-lick assholes to watch him "own the athiests" and had to quit in shame after getting his ass handed to him.

Then again, he probably just declared victory seeing as he has no shame.

(August 20, 2023 at 7:52 pm)Barry Wrote:

(August 20, 2023 at 7:44 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: So, you MAY have created it, and I want to destroy it.

I'm the Anti-Astreja!

Hi Astreja
Tell me how you did it. Start with the Big Bang and work backwards. 
Cheers Barry

You're some fucking idiot.

Idiot.

Does 'Gooder' exist?