Actually, yeah..... I mean, laying aside how whoever follows un is going to be part of that class, if it were just unbiased probabilities about a completely representative sample of north koreans. Sure. In fact, it's hard to imagine anyone at random doing it worse. The bad in uns execution wasn't accidental, he did that shit on purpose, it takes effort to fuck it up in this way. The next guy might not be any good at that, or even be interested...you know, hypothetical next guy who would never be in power, ofc.

(I assume you're talking about them starving or being oppressed, but then...it's never safe to assume anything cogent with you now is it?)

(October 8, 2023 at 2:27 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Globally, private recycling is a $50 billion industry.

And I assume the vast majority of that money comes from recycling metal, and maybe some from recycling glass. Recycling glass, while probably not profitable in a free market, is still not as ridiculous as recycling plastics.

Neither.  It comes from fees. It's not that recycling business don't...well, recycle, or that they don't provide any valuable product to any industrial partners (and yes, metal and glass are the real winners, for what that's worth), it's just that that's not why those businesses even start. It's always on the backs of fees (or, if you prefer, fees paid by subsidy), and then they work out what they can do with the piles. Plenty of the companies that do this aren't total cynics and they really do want it to be the thing advertised, by they have to partner with people who can secure the funding and permitting...and those guys aren't looking at recycling as the metric, they're looking at the finance end.

This repeats itself in big and small ways up and down every single industry or business model in the green periphery. When I was a kid, recycling was the thing we did when we crushed soda cans for a few months until we had bags of them and we took them to a center and got a little coin becuase mcdonalds had a plain burger deal on tuesdays. Now it's something I pay for. The second thing is a better business, a better investment. The trouble with the first model was that they actually had to pay for their inventory.

(October 8, 2023 at 2:27 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Globally, private recycling is a $50 billion industry.

And I assume the vast majority of that money comes from recycling metal, and maybe some from recycling glass. Recycling glass, while probably not profitable in a free market, is still not as ridiculous as recycling plastics.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:You said earlier that it is government regulation that allows plastic recycling to be profitable.

If so, that was via mistake. I meant that government policies (of forcing people to sort through their household trash) make them profitable.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Eggs again. Haven't you had enough of Nudger beating you up about this?

It is difficult to imagine how eggs might not be the biggest contributor to antibiotic resistance in humans. Sure, vineyards (where 0.5% of antibiotics goes to) probably have some effect (via horizontal gene transfer from bacteria that attack plants to bacteria that attack humans), but, Jesus Christ, the use of antibiotics in the egg industry is by more than two orders of magnitude more massive (around 70% of antibiotics are used in the egg industry) and it causes antibiotic resistance in humans directly.

BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:That sounds like a problem with the plant.

Then I assume the problem with North Korea is Kim Jong Un and that, if somebody else was on power, he would do it much better.

Takeaways from this post: ‘assume’; ‘probably’; ‘imagine’; ‘might’. Your use of hard facts is underwhelming.

And, not for nothing, your comment about North Korea could be used in a logic class, in the unit ‘How To Avoid False Equivalence’.

Boru

I'm not sure that this fire really happened. After all, I didn't see the flames.

How do we even know that plastics started it if there were a fire? Could've been dragons. That's a far more logical conclusion.

(October 8, 2023 at 3:37 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: How do we even know that plastics started it if there were a fire?  Could've been dragons.  That's a far more logical conclusion.

Exactly!

Footage from the incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTCMyCniENM

(October 8, 2023 at 3:41 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Footage from the incident.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTCMyCniENM

Another angle:





Boru

BTW - Happy birthday Flat.  Another year - another ridiculous 'theory'.