There was no voyage, there was certainly no latitude and longitude, and nothing about any part of the entire magic book, old or new, suggests a sophisticated mathematician.

There are two basic styles or sources in old magic book. The priestly source, and the yahwist source. Neither of which are believed to have been atheist sources - as..for example, there were in the hindu tradition(s).

(November 26, 2023 at 8:01 am)SeniorCitizen Wrote: Noah's was 600 years old at the time of the flood ... a circle with a circumference of 600 units

The length of the Ark is 300 cubits ... a semicircle of 300 units

The width of the Ark is 50 units.

The height of the Ark is 30 units .... the units here are DEGREES.

... and we have the geometrical shape used by the Egyptians to represent a boat.

This shape is used by other numbers in the story to map the voyage.

Whoever wrote this was able to accurately determine latitude and longitude.

There are other instances in Genesis of the work of someone who was a sophisticated mathematician who had access to accurate maps. The story of Noah being naked and drunk is a map. Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth .. and the cloak that covered Noah's nakedness are geographical locations.

This sounds like Apophenia.

It sounds like ancient alien idiocy. Maps, lat and long coords, tech schematics, a shadowy cabal of figures cynically manipulating magic books. All of it fantasy to explain yet more fantasy.

The deluge never happened. Not only did it never happen, it's actually impossible. Not because there's not enough water...though that should do the trick...but because even if there were and it did happen...... we would not be here to discuss it. A storm even remotely like the one so many of us dreamt up is a planet killer. No one knew that back then, ofc, so we can write that off as not knowing shit. What is anyone's excuse supposed to be today, though?

(November 26, 2023 at 8:01 am)SeniorCitizen Wrote: The length of the Ark is 300 cubits  ... a semicircle of 300 units

The width of the Ark is 50 units.

The height of the Ark is 30 units .... the units here are DEGREES.

Degrees are a measure of angles. not length.

Also, you might want to read up on hogging.

(November 26, 2023 at 1:56 am)SeniorCitizen Wrote: Why is there "numerical data" in the flood story?

The dimensions of the Ark?

"After 17 days of the 2nd month ..."?

When I first read the Bible ... when I came to this ... I thought:

"It's a MAP of a voyage!"

So where did the Ark sail from and go to?

Answer: It went from Heliopolis to Patmos.

2,200 BC or so. A movement of people from Egypt during the chaos that followed the collapse of the Egyptian Old Kingdom.

The reference to Ararat suggests they later (generations later?) moved into the Black Sea.

... then, maybe, across into Northern Mesopotamia and then (as "Abraham") back to Egypt.

A round trip over several generations?

Whoever wrote Revelations may have known about this map.

Why ? Because the writers/editors of the myth were skilled at writing MYTHS.
The dimensions and instructions for the Ark are taken directly from the Babylonian Gilgamesh Epic, (they may be in chapter 11 ??) as well as many other elements of the Hebrew Flood MYTH, (the boat dimensions, the olive branch story, eyc etc, which they syncretically "borrowed"). There is no world-wide silt layer, thus no world-wide flood. Archaeologists have excavated in countless sites to below what would be that level ... no silt layer. It's not only the arc. There are many many other elements in the stories in Genesis they took from the Babylonian myth system, including Yahweh.
There probably would have been more than one "large" regional flood, one of which was when the sea level rose and the Tigris and Euphrates "backed up" and expanded around 6000 BCE, 
and forced the Babylonians to keep moving for a time :

"Accelerated rises in sea level rise, called meltwater pulses, occurred three times during the EHSLR. The last one, Meltwater Pulse 1C, which peaked c. 6000 BC, produced a rise of 6.5 metres in only 140 years. It is believed that the cause was a major ice sheet collapse in Antarctica."

There were hundreds of books of "revelations" see Elaine Pagels (Princeton). Making up Books of Revelations was a cottage industry. They are all a bunch of crappy fiction.

Seeing patterns and coming to conclusions.

Bible code next?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code

(November 26, 2023 at 8:01 am)SeniorCitizen Wrote: As an atheist I am of the opinion that ATHEIST THINKERS had a major role in the creation of Old Testament Biblical texts.

As a liar you're not even entertaining.

(November 26, 2023 at 4:27 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(November 26, 2023 at 8:01 am)SeniorCitizen Wrote: As an atheist I am of the opinion that ATHEIST THINKERS had a major role in the creation of Old Testament Biblical texts.

As a liar you're not even entertaining.

"One can only make so much money writing science fiction. The way to make real money is to start a religion". Ron L Hubbard

In the late 2nd century a non-Christian author described a religion that was perfectly acceptable to the Roman authorities whilst the founder was alive, but when he died it was taken over by a single individual who altered the sacred texts, wrote others of his own and made himself very wealthy.
 
Where atheists go wrong as far as the Bible is concerned is in believing that everybody involved in writing it believed in the literal truth of what they wrote. The people who wrote the Pentateuch didn't.

(November 26, 2023 at 4:58 pm)SeniorCitizen Wrote:

(November 26, 2023 at 4:27 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: As a liar you're not even entertaining.

"One can only make so much money writing science fiction. The way to make real money is to start a religion". Ron L Hubbard

In the late 2nd century a non-Christian author described a religion that was perfectly acceptable to the Roman authorities whilst the founder was alive, but when he died it was taken over by a single individual who altered the sacred texts, wrote others of his own and made himself very wealthy.
 
Where atheists go wrong as far as the Bible is concerned is in believing that everybody involved in writing it believed in the literal truth of what they wrote. The people who wrote the Pentateuch didn't.

If you have a point among any of your posts, would you let us know?

And put down the pipe...you have had enough.

Regardless of who wrote the buybull, it is still a crock of shit. Like any other holy text. Religion, is just the gibberish of the ignorant past