(November 30, 2023 at 8:31 am)Ahriman Wrote: You objectively NEED to drink water, so water is objectively important. In a similar vein, I NEED to smoke cigarettes,

Stop smoking, come back to me and report how much you needed to smoke.
Stop drinking water, come back to me, if you can.....

(November 30, 2023 at 9:50 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That's a new response - confronted with what sounds like a terrible terrible issue for your own self stated beliefs about gods and worthwhile making properties..and after you implore everyone not to be childish, and in a thread where you insist that this god stuff is important.  Now..just wordgames?  

You getting snippy now??

(November 30, 2023 at 10:27 pm)h4ym4n Wrote:

(November 30, 2023 at 8:36 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: You’re talking about religion here

Your god didn’t murder everyone but 8?

????? huh

(November 30, 2023 at 11:36 pm)brewer Wrote:

(November 30, 2023 at 8:25 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I want truth.

So I put my cards on the table to see if I can expand my worldview, “bump my corners off”.  Refine my understanding.

And yes - some of Christianity confuses me - atheists and I share similar confusion - like sacrifice for sin ???

Truth is subjective. So, for you, it comes down to faith. Faith is belief without evidence, that's what you have.

I'm an atheist and not confused. When it comes to god/religion (s) I require concrete evidence for belief, not abstractions. Nobody can argue a god into existence, at least nobody that I've run into.

If you don't like parts of the god/religion story you can choose not to believe the 'sacrifice for sin' part and still consider the rest truth if you like. Most believers pick and choose, there is no reason why you should be different. I doubt your god and some other believers god/religion are the exactly same.

Time to make some choices.

Thanks for sharing your opinion :-)

(December 1, 2023 at 12:23 am)Harry Haller Wrote:

(November 30, 2023 at 6:34 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: Id really not expect it to be self evident.  

an allperfect, allpowerful, allfather being - that clearly visible and understandable with my eyes??

I think you'd have to grow a lot to make sense of a being like that.

In fact, I think that's what this life and eternity is about - revelation, growth, harmonisation, revelation, growth, harmonisation and so on ....

That makes things important beyond just my say so.

I would expect that the omnitpotent and all powerful being that created me and everything else I know could also devise a method using these materials to clearly communicate any messages he wanted to deliver to me in a clear and self-evident manner. 

It is easy to excuse that we would need to grow to understand... but that premise is easily defeated with the notion that we were created by him the way he wanted us to be.  

He either wanted us to be confused and unsure of his existence or he is a poor designer or he doesn't exist at all and Man is just trying to ascribe powers onto an imaginary being.

Thanks for sharing :-)

(December 1, 2023 at 2:41 am)Ravenshire Wrote:

(November 30, 2023 at 8:25 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I want truth.

No, you don't. You want confirmation of your beliefs.

As a standard, i don't allow anyone to tell me what i want.

But thanks for sharing your opinion of what i want :-)

(December 1, 2023 at 2:48 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Of course, but lets not give it to these low effort dunces.  What do you think?  How are things important...if they are, indeed, important.

"Dunce" 

Like a name ???  You're name calling me ???

(December 1, 2023 at 6:11 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote:

(November 30, 2023 at 10:27 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Your god didn’t murder everyone but 8?

????? huh

Stop fucking around.

Tell us about your godthing 

Tell us all about it please.

(December 1, 2023 at 7:16 am)h4ym4n Wrote:

(December 1, 2023 at 6:11 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: ????? huh

Stop fucking around.

Tell us about your godthing 

Tell us all about it please.

Im pretty sure I have my answer to the question "what makes a thing important?".

Small digress into philosophical dilema question.  

But now - is the thread really going anywhere ????

Just got off the horn with Dixie Normus, who happens to be the Executive Chief Magistrate Superintendent at the Global Planetary Agency Bureau of Importance.

She broke protocol for this, but the Godtronic Analysis Detection machine (model 666) cannot reach a conclusion. Too many variables missing, since there have been hundreds of not thousands of gods, the G.A.D. requires more specific details.

Which god are we discussing?

She also said, she could run it through the Surveying Auditing Testing Analyzing Neurocomputer, S.A.T.A.N for short.

Dixie Normus ensures me that S.A.T.A.N is never wrong.