(January 3, 2024 at 7:55 am)Authari Wrote: Real question here, I mean most people become Atheists because either one they're vexed at God or two because they can't reconcile their Faith with Science. So I ask you, in the scenario that you can't reconcile your faith with science does that make you smart that you ditched your old beliefs or does that make you an idiot because you couldn't conceive of a way in which you would still believe in God even if the book were verifiably proven to be wrong. Which leads us to the first scenario, you'd have to be vexed at God in order for you to stop believing in this force that governs the universe. Which means that in order to be vexed at someone you'd have to let your emotions control you, so in this light Atheists are just idiots who couldn't reconcile their faith with science and let their emotions control their line of thinking.

It wouldn't seem to me that these people are critical thinkers at all but people who lack the capacity for true critical thought otherwise surely they would be able to reconcile some belief in a power that is higher than them in this universe. Rather I feel they like to just stroke their own egos boasting themselves as intellectuals while berating someone as 'stupid' for cherishing their faith. Envy no doubt.

Welcome to the forum, Authari. I hope we're a good fit for you. I'd love to learn more about you. Could you start an Intro thread?

You seem to have fallen into a false dilemma from only being able to imagine two reasons most people become atheists (you don't have to capitalize atheist or theist, btw). I highly recommend asking people why they've taken a position rather than telling them, assuming you actually want to understand them.

Good luck and have fun!

People become atheists because they don't understand God. Which is fine. God is not a simple issue. Atheists aren't "stupid" for not understanding God, it just means they don't understand that one particular thing. No one understands everything.

(January 3, 2024 at 11:35 am)Ahriman Wrote: People become atheists because they don't understand God. Which is fine. God is not a simple issue. Atheists aren't "stupid" for not understanding God, it just means they don't understand that one particular thing. No one understands everything.

No one ‘understands’ God, by definition. People become atheists because 1) there is no evidence for the existence of gods, and 2) the arguments for the existence of gods fail on multiple levels.

Boru

It's funny how many believers are invested in explaining why atheists don't believe -- as if those believers have any insight into my reasons for not believing.

(January 3, 2024 at 11:30 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(January 3, 2024 at 7:55 am)Authari Wrote: Real question here, I mean most people become Atheists because either one they're vexed at God or two because they can't reconcile their Faith with Science. So I ask you, in the scenario that you can't reconcile your faith with science does that make you smart that you ditched your old beliefs or does that make you an idiot because you couldn't conceive of a way in which you would still believe in God even if the book were verifiably proven to be wrong. Which leads us to the first scenario, you'd have to be vexed at God in order for you to stop believing in this force that governs the universe. Which means that in order to be vexed at someone you'd have to let your emotions control you, so in this light Atheists are just idiots who couldn't reconcile their faith with science and let their emotions control their line of thinking.

It wouldn't seem to me that these people are critical thinkers at all but people who lack the capacity for true critical thought otherwise surely they would be able to reconcile some belief in a power that is higher than them in this universe. Rather I feel they like to just stroke their own egos boasting themselves as intellectuals while berating someone as 'stupid' for cherishing their faith. Envy no doubt.

Welcome to the forum, Authari. I hope we're a good fit for you. I'd love to learn more about you. Could you start an Intro thread?

You seem to have fallen into a false dilemma from only being able to imagine two reasons most people become atheists (you don't have to capitalize atheist or theist, btw). I highly recommend asking people why they've taken a position rather than telling them, assuming you actually want to understand them.

Good luck and have fun!

Bit late for a welcome - Authari’s been here more than a year. Nice post, though.

Boru

(January 3, 2024 at 7:55 am)Authari Wrote: Rather I feel they like to just stroke their own egos boasting themselves as intellectuals while berating someone as 'stupid' for cherishing their faith. Envy no doubt.

I could say that I think you're a believer because you want so badly to feel important that you invent an omnipotent, personal deity who cares about your day-to-day life ... but I won't, because that would be rude.

It's a shame that you couldn't see fit to practice that same courtesy.

(January 3, 2024 at 11:49 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 3, 2024 at 11:35 am)Ahriman Wrote: People become atheists because they don't understand God. Which is fine. God is not a simple issue. Atheists aren't "stupid" for not understanding God, it just means they don't understand that one particular thing. No one understands everything.

No one ‘understands’ God, by definition. People become atheists because 1) there is no evidence for the existence of gods, and 2) the arguments for the existence of gods fail on multiple levels.

Boru

Well you can know enough to believe in Him or not.

(January 3, 2024 at 10:50 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(January 3, 2024 at 10:26 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: they can't reconcile their Faith with Science??   I don't have a faith to reconcile, and never did have

If a god made everything then where was he/it before he made it?

Outside of time and space.

Ok, who made that place then?

I can't speak for hoomans, but I am an athiest because, god is a ridiculous concept conjured up by frightened, ignorant, arrogant creatures. There is absolutely nothing that points to a god, other than "I can't imagine I mean nothing, seeing how I am so special, so therefore, god has to exist."

(January 3, 2024 at 11:58 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote:

(January 3, 2024 at 10:50 am)Ahriman Wrote: Outside of time and space.

Ok, who made that place then?

Nobody did. Who cares?