(January 3, 2024 at 8:46 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(January 3, 2024 at 8:41 pm)Belacqua Wrote: This is certainly the case with some atheists. We see people who hate the irrationality and falsehoods of religion so much that they will make irrational and false accusations against it. 

It's not true of all atheists, though. 

What I think we atheists have to admit is that some very smart people are not atheists. Just recently I was reading about Kurt Gödel, for example. He was a smart person. And he believed in a life after the death of the body, in which we will be reunited with our loved ones. He had an elaborate argument as to why he thought this is the case.

Won't happen. Although there might be a form of existence after death of the physical body.

I also find it extremely unlikely.

My only point was that some very smart people are not atheists.

(January 3, 2024 at 4:40 pm)Jackalope Wrote:

(January 3, 2024 at 3:22 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Could be anywhere.

He's not in my sock drawer, I looked.

Now you've done it. The christers will be along shortly to try to fill that gap with their gawd.

(January 3, 2024 at 5:30 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote:

(January 3, 2024 at 4:56 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Think of God as an inanimate object that can still feel and observe things. That's what I mean by "hypostatic". God isn't really "alive" in the traditional sense, He is more like a hyper observant alien.

yes, but how do you know this??

Our village idiot makes up their own shit to believe in.

(January 3, 2024 at 9:30 pm)Ravenshire Wrote:

(January 3, 2024 at 5:30 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: yes, but how do you know this??

Our village idiot makes up their own shit to believe in.

"This god is hypostatic
Why, it's greased lightning!!"

(January 3, 2024 at 4:56 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(January 3, 2024 at 4:40 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: "God observes our dimension from a kind of "hypostatic" vantage point"   First, how do you know?   second, what does it mean?

Think of God as an inanimate object that can still feel and observe things. That's what I mean by "hypostatic". God isn't really "alive" in the traditional sense, He is more like a hyper observant alien.

Your god is a bad dragon dildo? neato.

FSM is way cooler, Xhe is animated and gives noodly appendage back rubs

(January 3, 2024 at 7:55 am)Authari Wrote: Real question here, I mean most people become Atheists because either one they're vexed at God or two because they can't reconcile their Faith with Science.

I didn't have to "become" atheist.  I merely find religious claims so silly and unconvincing that I've never experienced religious faith, per se.

(January 3, 2024 at 10:28 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(January 3, 2024 at 7:55 am)Authari Wrote: Real question here, I mean most people become Atheists because either one they're vexed at God or two because they can't reconcile their Faith with Science.

I didn't have to "become" atheist.  I merely find religious claims so silly and unconvincing that I've never experienced religious faith, per se.

Well, it's not like you have to believe in religious claims to believe in God.

(January 3, 2024 at 10:28 pm)Astreja Wrote: I didn't have to "become" atheist.  I merely find religious claims so silly and unconvincing that I've never experienced religious faith, per se.

(January 3, 2024 at 10:49 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Well, it's not like you have to believe in religious claims to believe in God.

"God exists" *is* a religious claim, and I've never had faith in the existence of any god. In order for me to believe in a god, it would have to be real in a tangible sense - actual physical evidence of the god itself.

(January 3, 2024 at 10:53 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(January 3, 2024 at 10:28 pm)Astreja Wrote: I didn't have to "become" atheist.  I merely find religious claims so silly and unconvincing that I've never experienced religious faith, per se.

(January 3, 2024 at 10:49 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Well, it's not like you have to believe in religious claims to believe in God.

"God exists" *is* a religious claim, and I've never had faith in the existence of any god.  In order for me to believe in a god, it would have to be real in a tangible sense - actual physical evidence of the god itself.

You don't have physical evidence for the existence of gravity. Do you think gravity is real?

(January 3, 2024 at 8:46 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Won't happen. Although there might be a form of existence after death of the physical body.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neu...-cell-line

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortalised_cell_line