(June 5, 2024 at 5:22 pm)no one Wrote: Morality is what I say is right.
Immorality is what I say is wrong!

Not so much a response to the parameters I laid out as a statement 😉

How unethical of you, to dismiss my noble, proper, righteous, and obviously most correct response!

(June 5, 2024 at 5:30 pm)no one Wrote: How unethical of you, to dismiss my noble, proper, righteous, and obviously most correct response!

I humbly admit my callous treatment, I am but a craven cad, twas however a fair response 😉
Do you see your view as holding that there are mind independent moral properties in the universe?

Morality is overrated, I'm all about Lessality

Morality, in its philosophy of principled conduct, is a hooman dilemma. The universe doesn't give a shit.

no oneMorality, in its philosophy of principled conduct, is a hooman dilemma. The universe doesn't give a shit.

so I am not sure you are the target audience I am after here

Much obliged. I appreciate you considering me distinct from the population of the smelly, disgusting hoomans. However, whether or not I am a "member" of the target audience, the fact remains, morality, is a hooman construct. It is only in regards to them. There is no such thing as good or bad, right or wrong, moral or immoral, ethical or unethical, outside of the teeny, tiny, miniscule hooman world. While that aforementioned world is indeed massively immense to the insignificant hoomans, it has absolutely no lines in the play that is everything.

(June 6, 2024 at 7:14 am)no one Wrote: Much obliged. I appreciate you considering me distinct from the population of the smelly, disgusting hoomans. However, whether or not I am a "member" of the target audience, the fact remains, morality, is a hooman construct. It is only in regards to them. There is  no such thing as good or bad, right or wrong, moral or immoral, ethical or unethical, outside of the teeny, tiny, miniscule hooman world. While that aforementioned world is indeed massively immense to the insignificant hoomans, it has absolutely no lines in the play that is everything.

Not disagreeing. Just I want to be challenged by the views of people I do disagree with. Hoping to avoid past mistakes of just finding myself entrenched in a position just because that is the one that makes sense to me

(June 5, 2024 at 1:06 pm)Lucian Wrote: 1. I am interested in what reasons atheists have for believing such morality can exist in a godless universe, but not if it is appeals to intuition without grounding that further.

Collective (tribe/societal) evolutionary cooperative learned behavior.

(June 6, 2024 at 7:38 am)brewer Wrote:

(June 5, 2024 at 1:06 pm)Lucian Wrote: 1. I am interested in what reasons atheists have for believing such morality can exist in a godless universe, but not if it is appeals to intuition without grounding that further.

Collective (tribe/societal) evolutionary cooperative learned behavior.

Thanks Brewer. So do you think that morality is somehow mind-independent and emergent from these things? Or do you see it as a human convention without any mind-independent status?