Yesterday the Labor Party in the UK came back to power after 14 years of conservative rule.
 
Today the Republican Alliance between the centrist and leftist forces resulted in a full blockage to the neo-fascist RN Aliance in France. Every time she loses an election Mrs Lepen (her political party is called the FN – The National Front) used to go to a discotheque to shake off all the stress of the political struggle. She does that every time to show that she is not giving up. So that’s where I would be looking for her right now.
 
In the meantime, the people are also celebrating.




 
This event here is showing us that if we are able to leave small differences aside and unite behind republican and democratic values against populism and neo-fascism, there can be positive results and I like to see positive results.
 
I must also add that I was greatly relieved when I saw the first results at 8 pm local time. One cannot help thinking how a conservative Eurosceptic, racist government in France would have greatly sabotaged all of the political mechanisms of the EU. And if you add a MAGA victory to this in November in the US. I cannot really guess how all of this would have ended.
 
Since Brexit, France and Germany are the main locomotives of the EU. So a populist government is not really affordable in either one of the two countries.

How non-conservative is the labour party, because everything I was reading labeled them as conservative.

(July 7, 2024 at 7:30 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: How non-conservative is the labour party, because everything I was reading labeled them as conservative.

Try suggesting to a Labour member that they're really conservative and find out... 

(July 7, 2024 at 7:30 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: How non-conservative is the labour party, because everything I was reading labeled them as conservative.

Labour’s politics are… complicated. The name suggests a socialist party, and, indeed, there’s a good-sized portion that are. But there’s a lot of factions within it. Some are truly based and left-wing (Jeremy Corbyn was one), but some are more centrist (New Labour definitely was, and PM Keir Starmer seems to be trending that way.) And despite the general rule that the European left is usually a lot further left than America, even the British left seems to have yet to come around to certain issues (trans rights being one of the most glaring examples.)

Basically, at the moment, they’re less conservative and more closer to the center than is probably ideal.

They like to proclaim themselves as the 'voice of the working classes' in their propaganda, though that was never actually the case.
They were the voice of the Trades Unions originally, upto the '70s when a couple of general strikes undermined support for the Trades Unions. 
Then came Thatcher in the '80s and effectively decapitated the Trades Unions leaving only Teachers and Nurses as the only unions that still had a voice.
As such their principal policies were Health and Education, which failed to connect with the electorate till Blair showed up and went for a more Centrist platform as the electorate became disenchanted with Tories complacency after over a decade in power.
After Brown crashed the global economy in 2008 they got ejected from power again with Corbyn and Momentum trying to seize control of the party. Unionists rebelled against this leading to Boris' landslide. Starmer came in in the aftermath and failed to do anything really, Just wait for the electorate to become disenchanted with Tory complacency again and here we are.

(July 8, 2024 at 4:01 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(July 7, 2024 at 7:30 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: How non-conservative is the labour party, because everything I was reading labeled them as conservative.

Labour’s politics are… complicated. The name suggests a socialist party, and, indeed, there’s a good-sized portion that are. But there’s a lot of factions within it. Some are truly based and left-wing (Jeremy Corbyn was one), but some are more centrist (New Labour definitely was, and PM Keir Starmer seems to be trending that way.) And despite the general rule that the European left is usually a lot further left than America, even the British left seems to have yet to come around to certain issues (trans rights being one of the most glaring examples.)

Basically, at the moment, they’re less conservative and more closer to the center than is probably ideal.

Labour are a coalition of centre-left social democrats and hard right thatcherites. Since Neill Kinnock in the mid-80's Labour's leadership has been thatcherite barring the few years Corbyn tried to rintroduce social-democracy.

^I’ll take a coalition of centrists, thatcherites, and social democrats over a monolithic bloc of fascists every day of the week. Twice on Sundays.

Boru

I'm mostly apolitical but I do have opinions and I'm always going to try and go with the lesser evil when given a choice. But I did not want to vote strategically--and vote Labour--so I voted Green.

(July 9, 2024 at 5:03 am)Pat Mustard Wrote:

(July 8, 2024 at 4:01 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Labour’s politics are… complicated. The name suggests a socialist party, and, indeed, there’s a good-sized portion that are. But there’s a lot of factions within it. Some are truly based and left-wing (Jeremy Corbyn was one), but some are more centrist (New Labour definitely was, and PM Keir Starmer seems to be trending that way.) And despite the general rule that the European left is usually a lot further left than America, even the British left seems to have yet to come around to certain issues (trans rights being one of the most glaring examples.)

Basically, at the moment, they’re less conservative and more closer to the center than is probably ideal.

Labour are a coalition of centre-left social democrats and hard right thatcherites. Since Neill Kinnock in the mid-80's Labour's leadership has been thatcherite barring the few years Corbyn tried to rintroduce social-democracy.

(July 9, 2024 at 6:38 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ^I’ll take a coalition of centrists, thatcherites, and social democrats over a monolithic bloc of fascists every day of the week. Twice on Sundays.

Boru

? Not sure where you're getting any of that from.
'NU-Labour' would be the Social Democratic side of the party, Brown was a Trotskyist, Corbyn and Momentum are very much a reactionary group from the fringe. An earlier group of social democrats split from party after the '70s strikes before joining the Liberals in '83.

I'd be glad to have had Corbyn as PM. I don't think he's a "reactionary" I think he's truly left-wing. Unlike New Labour, which isn't truly left-wing. But New Labour is still preferable to the Tories and the Tories is still preferable to Fascism. These are my opinions but my own vote won't make much of a difference so I tend to not care too much about politics. I have these opinions, but they aren't particularly strong.