(December 27, 2011 at 2:52 pm)frankiej Wrote: I think you smoke too much weed, man.

Well I guess you don't smoke enough.

But damn don't act like a xtain with an ad homien attack.

Attack my arguments please! I enjoy being proven wrong, it enhances my knowledge, what is the point of being wrong, if wrong is not reality. I enjoy reality.

I strive for the truth, not opinions, or rumors.

I only said it because your ideas on these things mirror a friend of mine you has smoked far too much for years. I have no time for conspiracy bullshit any more.

Right now I would agree with you that I don't smoke enough... I haven't been able to get any around here for a couple of weeks

(December 27, 2011 at 2:03 pm)aleialoura Wrote: He wants to fuck America in the ass in a way that no Republican would even dare. That's some scary shit. He's more frightening to me than W., which is saying a LOT.

I see right through the slimy little turd.

The biggest problem with Ron Paul is that he wants to turn America in a different direction on a dime. He's essentially trying to take a C-130 and do a loop w/ it. Even if his ideas are good (highly debatable), the country cannot withstand the forces needed to change direction quickly like that. Politicians need to understand that change needs to be a gradual thing, otherwise everyone loses.

(December 27, 2011 at 3:02 pm)frankiej Wrote: I only said it because your ideas on these things mirror a friend of mine you has smoked far too much for years. I have no time for conspiracy bullshit any more.

Right now I would agree with you that I don't smoke enough... I haven't been able to get any around here for a couple of weeks

Lol so does weed make one think of crazy conspiracy's? Were people against the Iraq war crazy conspiracy people? You have to put history into context. You call it bullshit, I call it the quest for reality, cause anything but that is just not real.

Free electricity, college education, and health care in Libya. These are all facts, you interpret them how you want. Libya also had 0 debt. It owed zero dollars to foreign powers. 14 cents for a gallon of gas. Everyone has shelter.

Read the "Green Book" By Gaddafi. It does not sound like a crazy dictator hell bent on murdering people.

Here is some stuff on Liyba. http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=626507
I don't take it all as truth, and no one should. Just take logical conclusions from what you read and see, I thought that is how we all became atheists, we can apply the logical thinking to politics as well.

But you should try to find some smoke

(December 27, 2011 at 2:52 pm)frankiej Wrote: I think you smoke too much weed, man.

Please don't lump fallacious reasoning with the damned herb man.

Paintpooper, are you seriously arguing against the intervention in Libya that culminated in the extra judicial execution of Gaddafi?

Do I have to remind you, that pre-intervention, Gaddafi was making gains and headway in fighting off the revolt? Do I have to remind you of the photos and evidence that has emerged, post-Gaddafi, of death squads cycling through hospitals, conducting executions and "interrogations"?

Holy mother of liberty!!

Quote:For example, he strenuously does not believe the United States had any business getting involved in fighting Hitler in WWII. He expressed to me countless times, that “saving the Jews,” was absolutely none of our business. When pressed, he often times brings up conspiracy theories like FDR knew about the attacks of Pearl Harbor weeks before hand, or that WWII was just “blowback,” for Woodrow Wilson’s foreign policy errors, and such.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/12/27/...in-europe/

If this is true, which wouldn't surprise me, and this man becomes president, we're fucked. Hard.

(December 27, 2011 at 2:48 pm)paintpooper Wrote: Regardless of a treaty they signed, it is still wrong to tell a sovereign nation what they can and can't do.

Actually, as I understand it, these are the only circumstances in which nations can tell other nations what they can and cannot do. A treaty is an agreement between nations, and enforced by those nations. If you agree to do something, and then fail to do it, the other nations are bound by law to act.

(December 27, 2011 at 3:26 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:

(December 27, 2011 at 2:52 pm)frankiej Wrote: I think you smoke too much weed, man.

Please don't lump fallacious reasoning with the damned herb man.

Paintpooper, are you seriously arguing against the intervention in Libya that culminated in the extra judicial execution of Gaddafi?

Do I have to remind you, that pre-intervention, Gaddafi was making gains and headway in fighting off the revolt? Do I have to remind you of the photos and evidence that has emerged, post-Gaddafi, of death squads cycling through hospitals, conducting executions and "interrogations"?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb...fi-tripoli

You mean like this article. Take notice that... US based this... and Paris based that... are the ones giving out the information. Also a few . I need more evidence. Please show me it if you can.

Also pictures of dead bodies do not show who did the killing or why.

I do just want the truth, like everyone else, I just ask some additional questions to make sure we are all getting the truth told to us. I have no animosity on this subject, I just want truths.

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(December 27, 2011 at 4:13 pm)aleialoura Wrote: Holy mother of liberty!!

Quote:For example, he strenuously does not believe the United States had any business getting involved in fighting Hitler in WWII. He expressed to me countless times, that “saving the Jews,” was absolutely none of our business. When pressed, he often times brings up conspiracy theories like FDR knew about the attacks of Pearl Harbor weeks before hand, or that WWII was just “blowback,” for Woodrow Wilson’s foreign policy errors, and such.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/12/27/...in-europe/

If this is true, which wouldn't surprise me, and this man becomes president, we're fucked. Hard.

I don't know about that Hitler thing. But Pearl harbor is plausible.

Please go research Gulf Of Tonkin, and the congressional action that happened after. Blowback is a real thing.
Also a Cuba incident, I can't recall the name, but declassified documents reveal plans for a false flag, that JFK would not conform too.

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Please read this book. I just don't feel like he could be such a horrible man after reading it.. seems like so many things he talks about makes sense. But please read and take what you will from it. It is a very good read IMO. I mean it starts with saying Government is the problem... so read away. Don't let cognitive dissonance cloud your thoughts.

http://911-truth.net/other-books/Muammar...ok-Eng.pdf

WTF are you trying to do, crash my PC? It's allergic to tinhattery!

(Plenty an asshole has written or had ghostwritten a bunch of bullshit meant to con people into putting them into positions of power)

(December 27, 2011 at 4:20 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(December 27, 2011 at 2:48 pm)paintpooper Wrote: Regardless of a treaty they signed, it is still wrong to tell a sovereign nation what they can and can't do.

Actually, as I understand it, these are the only circumstances in which nations can tell other nations what they can and cannot do. A treaty is an agreement between nations, and enforced by those nations. If you agree to do something, and then fail to do it, the other nations are bound by law to act.

I must agree with R...be careful what you sign for...

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