(July 16, 2024 at 2:43 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(July 15, 2024 at 8:32 pm)Nanny Wrote: My other response got buried. So the bitch deserves it, yeah? Is that what you're getting at? If so I choose not to engage.

Thats not what i asked either. I wanted to lead your awareness towards a potential dilemma, but you seem hellbent to read stuff into my posts that just.isnt.there.

I have no idea what you're getting at. Nor do I want further engagement on this subject.

(July 14, 2024 at 3:30 pm)Lek Wrote: In regard to the gun control issue brought up earlier, I'm a staunch believer in second amendment rights. I keep a loaded pistol at home. The problem is that because of the immorality and lack of love for one another people will continue to massacre innocent people including children. Because of this it's not a matter of if, but when people will have enough and we will loose this important right.

The US has the highest per capita of private gun ownership in the world.


They also have the 2nd highest rate of overall gun deaths in the world. 


Many countries have strict gun control, and correspondingly low rates of gun deaths and gun crime. It's impossible to simply deny the link between the easy availability of guns, both legal and illegal, and the resulting elevated rates of gun deaths and gun crime. The fact you hold a subjective belief that you're safer because you have one, no more makes this belief true, than people who feel they are safer because they believe a deity is looking out for them. 

The evidence demonstrating the increased likelihood of being shot and killed, in households that own guns is also overwhelming, it's even higher for children of such households. 

The obsession with preserving private gun ownership has little to do with the origins of the second amendment of course. As a UK citizen, I can only say that I have never heard a compelling reason for a civilian to own a handgun, and certainly not automatic or semi atomic riles.

I'd love to see some objective evidence that immorality is significantly higher in the US than other countries with strict gun control and correspondingly low rates of gun crime and gun deaths. That said, if someone held nefarious intent to harm or murder, then it surely makes sense to make guns as hard as possible to obtain.

Boru

I hear that Biden attempted to reach out to the wife of the man killed at Trumps rally but she refused the call. Haven't heard a thing about Trump making the attempt. Does he even care?

(July 15, 2024 at 7:39 pm)h4ym4n Wrote:

(July 15, 2024 at 7:37 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I would doubt that the young man who was doing the shooting had enough experience and skill as a sniper to simply crease Trump's ear.

It’s reported the shooter was severely bullied growing up. 

Maybe he thought he could do so good making Trump head into a unfilled donut by killing the biggest bully in the USA

It's reported that he was both "never bullied" and "bullied every day".
The overwhelming impression I got from the interviews of people from his school was; "I have no idea who that guy was but Global Media coverage? Have you got my best side?"
Actual items that have come out; He had no military experience - obvious
Political commentators look for political motives - so far noone found one 
Protection team failed to secure obvious sniper position - conspiracy or incompetence?
Politicians say it's wrong to conduct political violence; so no sending explosive cigars to heads of state or bombing presidential palaces...

(July 16, 2024 at 1:13 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: Protection team failed to secure obvious sniper position - conspiracy or incompetence?

Neither.  Working as intended.  No plan to review or make changes.

(July 16, 2024 at 2:19 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(July 16, 2024 at 1:13 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: Protection team failed to secure obvious sniper position - conspiracy or incompetence?

Neither.  Working as intended.  No plan to review or make changes.

The explanations/excuses being given is that the Secret Service have no jurisdiction outside their established perimeter, and the local cops couldn’t do anything because Pennsylvania is an open carry state.

So much bullshit on so many levels.

Boru

When we account for the repeatedly litigated limitations placed on law enforcement and the security detail...to say nothing of the culture at a trump rally - the epicenter for this bullshit in the first place, we might realize that the pa rally outcome was the best possible outcome in the circumstances. They got the guy as soon as he did something actionable and trump survived.

Trump seemed to have been safer at Four Seasons Landscaping. Perhaps that should be the new place for all the rallies.