(July 19, 2024 at 7:45 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: My wondering is more along the thought process of which jobs specifically are undocumented immigrants taking away from everyone else. After all, if it's so easy to get these jobs without proper documentation, why aren't more Americans doing it?

Maybe because they're undercutting them on wages. It doesn't matter anyway. We need to assure that all immigrants into the country come in legally.

(July 19, 2024 at 7:56 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 19, 2024 at 7:45 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: My wondering is more along the thought process of which jobs specifically are undocumented immigrants taking away from everyone else. After all, if it's so easy to get these jobs without proper documentation, why aren't more Americans doing it?

Maybe because they're undercutting them on wages. It doesn't matter anyway. We need to assure that all immigrants into the country come in legally.

So you can't really say they're taking your jobs when you don't even want them. But my suggestion is to approach the corporations and boycott them, since they benefit the most from those low wages.

(July 19, 2024 at 7:59 pm)Foxaèr Wrote:

(July 19, 2024 at 7:56 pm)Lek Wrote: Maybe because they're undercutting them on wages. It doesn't matter anyway. We need to assure that all immigrants into the country come in legally.

So you can't really say they're taking your jobs when you don't even want them. But my suggestion is to approach the corporations and boycott them, since they benefit the most from those low wages.

No. I want to enforce the law and assure that immigrants coming into the country have been vetted properly. Would you let someone move into your house without knowing anything about them? It's simply common sense.

(July 19, 2024 at 8:17 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 19, 2024 at 7:59 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: So you can't really say they're taking your jobs when you don't even want them. But my suggestion is to approach the corporations and boycott them, since they benefit the most from those low wages.

No. I want to enforce the law and assure that immigrants coming into the country have been vetted properly. Would you let someone move into your house without knowing anything about them?  It's simply common sense.

Do you want citizens moving from another state to your state vetted? Do you want background checks on out-of-towners who stay at local hotels?

I feel like you should already know this, but the United States isn’t your house. That’s a stupid fucking analogy.

Boru

(July 19, 2024 at 7:19 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 19, 2024 at 6:43 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I have a box of paperwork from when my grandfather came over from Germany.  I am not sure how much has changed but he had to have a skill/trade (he was a master carpenter), an American sponsor, had to agree to learn to speak English...among other things.  There was a strict deadline on how long he had before he had to take and pass a citizenship test. It wasn't even easy in the 20s and 30s to come into America to stay legally.

The biggest issues when people are talking about immigrants are legal and undocumented.  They are not the same thing.

Explain the difference.

This, folks, is what is called "Sealioning".

Sealioning refers to the disingenuous action by a commenter of making an ostensible effort to engage in sincere and serious civil debate, usually by asking persistent questions of the other commenter.

Does anybody besides me want to explain why we have immigration quotas and laws?

Disrupting your sensibilities is not the same as disrupting your life. You're hearing the rhetoric so much that you genuinely believe your very way of living is somehow magnificently impacted by illegal immigration. As unlawful as it may be, it genuinely has zero bearing on your daily life.

(July 19, 2024 at 8:53 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: Disrupting your sensibilities is not the same as disrupting your life. You're hearing the rhetoric so much that you genuinely believe your very way of living is somehow magnificently impacted by illegal immigration. As unlawful as it may be, it genuinely has zero bearing on your daily life.

Tell that to the overrun Democrat mayors of Chicago and New York City. I've had my say. Thanks.

(July 19, 2024 at 9:23 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 19, 2024 at 8:53 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: Disrupting your sensibilities is not the same as disrupting your life. You're hearing the rhetoric so much that you genuinely believe your very way of living is somehow magnificently impacted by illegal immigration. As unlawful as it may be, it genuinely has zero bearing on your daily life.

Tell that to the overrun Democrat mayors of Chicago and New York City. I've had my say. Thanks.

The soapbox will be where you left it.

(July 19, 2024 at 9:23 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 19, 2024 at 8:53 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: Disrupting your sensibilities is not the same as disrupting your life. You're hearing the rhetoric so much that you genuinely believe your very way of living is somehow magnificently impacted by illegal immigration. As unlawful as it may be, it genuinely has zero bearing on your daily life.

Tell that to the overrun Democrat mayors of Chicago and New York City. I've had my say. Thanks.

But sadly not the last of what you have to say.