(September 6, 2024 at 8:28 am)Angrboda Wrote:

(September 6, 2024 at 8:14 am)Belacqua Wrote: Well that's a fair and balanced article. Not.

And that, if true, would be a problem because why exactly?

Because there are a whole lot of "alleges" and "the Justice Department says" and guilt by association. There are links to documents which are completely unsourced. 

There are Republican talking points which may or may not be credible, put near to allegations about Russian interference, but with no connection established. For example, the idea that Walz is doing "stolen valor" is brought up, and maybe that's true or maybe not, but there is no evidence given that Russia is playing that up. 

We also know that people in government lie to support their preferred candidate. So it would be nice to have some sort of real evidence, and not this mish-mash of allegations and accusations that some media company that no one had ever heard of had hosted guests who support Trump because Russia asked them to. 

Then you've got this sentence:

Quote:Trump has publicly complimented Russian President Vladimir Putin, an autocrat known for imprisoning and killing critics.

And that links you to a blistering editorial in which Trump is quoted several times as saying that Putin is "smart." Well, Putin is smart. Have you heard him speak? It makes you realize how extremely bad most US politicians (since Obama) are at speaking. A lot of smart people do evil things. And Trump's description of the war in Ukraine quoted in that article was pretty accurate at the time. Despite what wishful thinking makes Americans say, Ukraine has lost 20% of its land, and that's never coming back. So the headline and the editorializing are trying to make a big deal of what is, essentially, true but impolitic to say.

Confirmation bias, decades of anti-Russia propaganda, and lots and lots of partisan rhetoric can make things seem way more conclusive than they really are.

So smart. Two years six months one week and six days into his three day war he remains a master strategist.

During election campaigns, lots and lots of accusations get made that are quietly withdrawn later on.

We should be skeptical.

Russia tried to use that one to deny that their soldiers even existed once. No military occupation in ukraine comrades. This is just election talk from nazi party. Must be little green men. The trouble for russian simps is that no matter what they say in russias defense today, russia will call them a fool for it tomorrow.

(September 6, 2024 at 9:04 am)Belacqua Wrote: During election campaigns, lots and lots of accusations get made that are quietly withdrawn later on.

We should be skeptical.

There's an old saying that you should have an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out.

You are simply engaging in the common strategy of applying a double standard to the evidence. Things that are anti-U.S. are accepted on the flimsiest of pretext, while radical skepticism emerges for contrary evidence.

(September 6, 2024 at 9:04 am)Belacqua Wrote: During election campaigns, lots and lots of accusations get made that are quietly withdrawn later on.

We should be skeptical.

There’s a difference between being skeptical and rejecting overwhelming evidence because it doesn’t support your biases.

Boru

(September 6, 2024 at 4:22 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(September 6, 2024 at 2:46 am)Belacqua Wrote: Sorry, I don't read Russian. Most days I only speak Japanese. So you could call me 政治家の言葉を信じないヤツ。

If you’ve seen A Clockwork Orange, you should have a good hint there. Or if you found a “Cyrillic letters to Latin alphabet” Chart

All I did was highlight the word, right-click, and select "search google". The first hit was a translation.

Of course, Bel here probably did that but is playing doggo for whatever passes for reason in his eck of the woods.