So typical right wing bilge 

1. No being trans isn't a mental disorder or illness and it has not been classified as one for quite a while because it isn't and no one should give a damn about ignorant opinion on the matter (The APA makes it clear it's not a disorder period and other organizations followed suit) 

2. Once gain throwing around the accusation of fallacy were it isn't much like his empty squealing about racism 


Lastly one doesn't need to be intersex to be trans. Trans women are women and Trans Men are Men .....Period. regardless of the unhinged regressive bullshit of Right Wing loons.

(November 21, 2024 at 3:56 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 21, 2024 at 3:33 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: I've not made this claim, which is something of a common trend.

Nonsense. Here's what you wrote:

(November 21, 2024 at 1:37 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Allowing men - transexual or not - into women's bathrooms poses an inherent risk to women.

Either you're mighty forgetful, or dishonest. Which is it?

(November 21, 2024 at 3:33 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Strawmen aren't cute, they are a very common logical fallacy and frankly one of the most trite.

It's a good thing I haven't posited one, then!

Now, support your claim that allowing men, trans or not, is an inherent risk. Evidence, or an admission you have none, before this conversation goes anywhere else.

He's just taking after pumpkin spice Palpatine and denying said things were there is a clear record he did

(November 21, 2024 at 3:35 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(November 21, 2024 at 11:11 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Bold mine)

Then you’re an idiot. You’re claiming that conditions don’t exist until they’re formally defined. That’s just plain stupid.

Boru

This is going to get redundant, but to echo my last post - this is not my position, as you would know if you were able to read past the one sentence you put in bold.

Strawmen are, again, one of the most basic and low hanging of logical fallacies.

It’s not a strawman, ya numpty. It’s the addressing of a single point within your larger ‘argument’.

Boru

(November 21, 2024 at 4:04 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: So typical right wing bilge 

1. No being trans isn't a mental disorder or illness and it has not been classified as one for quite a while because it isn't and no one should give a damn about ignorant opinion on the matter (The APA makes it clear it's not a disorder period and other organizations followed suit) 

2. Once gain throwing around the accusation of fallacy were it isn't much like his empty squealing about racism 


Lastly one doesn't need to be intersex to be trans. Trans women are women and Trans Men are Men .....Period. regardless of the unhinged regressive bullshit of Right Wing loons.

It’s worth noting that even when it was classified as a mental disorder, letting them transition up to the level they were comfortable with was still the usual treatment, even if it’s for no other reason than, well, nothing else actually worked.

(November 21, 2024 at 3:56 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 21, 2024 at 3:33 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: I've not made this claim, which is something of a common trend.

Nonsense. Here's what you wrote:

(November 21, 2024 at 1:37 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Allowing men - transexual or not - into women's bathrooms poses an inherent risk to women.

Either you're mighty forgetful, or dishonest. Which is it?

False dilemma fallacy. 

Quote:It's a good thing I haven't posited one, then!

Perhaps you are right, the accusation of a strawman (I believe) carries an implication of intentionally misinterpreting the position, whereas it might have done innocently and in mistake. I can't claim to know your intentions and shouldn't assume the worse, my apologies. 

Funny how he once again cries  fallacy at something that wasn't a fallacy 

This boy don't logic well

(November 21, 2024 at 4:04 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: So typical right wing bilge 

1. No being trans isn't a mental disorder or illness and it has not been classified as one for quite a while because it isn't and no one should give a damn about ignorant opinion on the matter (The APA makes it clear it's not a disorder period and other organizations followed suit) 

2. Once gain throwing around the accusation of fallacy were it isn't much like his empty squealing about racism 


Lastly one doesn't need to be intersex to be trans. Trans women are women and Trans Men are Men .....Period. regardless of the unhinged regressive bullshit of Right Wing loons.

"A while."

I don't know how old you are, but 23 years is not a long time and you will realize that at some point; "gender dysphoria," one of several subcategories that "Gender Identity Disorder" (the 1980 academic definition of transgenderism and related mental disorders) once covered before being broken into those subcategories in 2013 still remains in the DSM-5.

I keep on mentioning the DSM-5 and previous editions, so just to be clear - the Diagnostic and Statistic Manual of Mental Disorders (Vol. 5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, still lists all the various aspects of transgenderism as mental disorders; they just don't label it as "GID" anymore.

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I am aware one does not need to be intersex to be trans; that has been a fundamental aspect of my argument, that the majority of transexual individuals are not intersex.


"Period" is not an argument, nor are either unintentional misrepresentations of my statements by unbelievable hyperbolic measures nor the potential strawman arguments achieving the same.

You are arguing an anti-scientific position, and it's why I can come in here with sources, references, citations and the best I can get is insults and logical fallacies.

(November 21, 2024 at 5:44 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Funny how he once again cries  fallacy at something that wasn't a fallacy 

This boy don't logic well

Please, define a "false dilemma fallacy."

Where is the false dilemma here? You stated, and, I quote:

(November 21, 2024 at 1:37 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Don't need to; that question fundamentally misses the point. Allowing men - transexual or not - into women's bathrooms poses an inherent risk to women..

And when called on this, you replied:

(November 21, 2024 at 3:33 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: I've not made this claim, which is something of a common trend.

And given that you stated your first statement as an absolute without citing anyone, or even saying something like “a lot of people think that allowing trans women in women’s bathrooms will create a threat to women,” I have to ask: what options could there possibly be in this discrepancy other than dishonesty or forgetfulness?

(November 21, 2024 at 5:45 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(November 21, 2024 at 5:44 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Funny how he once again cries  fallacy at something that wasn't a fallacy 

This boy don't logic well

Please, define a "false dilemma fallacy."

So, you’re asking for a definition of the phrase you yourself used.

(November 21, 2024 at 5:36 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(November 21, 2024 at 3:56 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Nonsense. Here's what you wrote:


Either you're mighty forgetful, or dishonest. Which is it?

False dilemma fallacy. 

This is basically trolling by this point.