(March 27, 2025 at 11:12 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Just as predicted 

A raped women should never be forced to carry her rapists  fetus .....period

So the sins of a father do justify the blood of the son in certain cases?

Who gets to make those arbitrations?

Quote:So the sins of a father do justify the blood of the son in certain cases?

Nope it's simply a fact no woman should have to carry their rapists this isn't an issue of crime and punishment it's question of bodily autonomy she doesn't want to carry it full stop and no one has the right to force her too

Quote:Who gets to make those arbitrations?

The women because she's carrying it and doesn't want to that's all that's required

So first I do want to say - I went back about 10 pages and didn't see, but we can chalk it up to me being lazy and so I'll take the defensive stance on if a zygote is or isn't a human.

Will the American College of Peditricians work as a source to confirm my position? Let's see a stance on that, quote...

"ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins."

https://acpeds.org/position-statements/w...ife-begins

So - my apologies again, but if you could define how they are not "human" that would be wonderful; and please use some citation other than I said so.

(March 27, 2025 at 11:17 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:

Quote:So the sins of a father do justify the blood of the son in certain cases?

Nope it's simply a fact no woman should have to carry their rapists this isn't an issue of crime and punishment it's question of bodily autonomy she doesn't want to carry it full stop  and no one has the right to force her too

Quote:Who gets to make those arbitrations?

The women because she's carrying it and doesn't want to that's all that's required

"Simply a fact" is not an argument; the *reality* is that women *are* carrying their rapists children, hence the reason some opt for the choice of killing the child. 

Encouraging abortions *encourages* rapists who now have to worry *less* about their DNA being linked to them later on, and it also encourages unsafe sexual practices and acts of "light" sexual coercion against near acquaintances and hookups - "Well, if I knock her up I can just arm twist her into getting an abortion." I'm sorry men exist like that but no amount of closing of eyes and wiping of our minds will make them disappear. 

We need to teach women to defend themselves against rapists and teach men to be better men, not throw up our hands and pretend the problem doesn't exist. It will *never* solve itself and will *only* get worse, which seems to be what the perverts who run many of these movements want.

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So some victims of crimes do get to choose if the son is guilty of the sins of the father?

None of this refutes my point 

1. Merely having human DNA doesn't make something fully human 

2. Being unique doesn't make it fully human 

3. Saying if given time to develop again doesn't immediately make it fully human  

So this entire post is moot as it in no way refutes my point that  zygote  aren't fully human and only potentially human 

(March 27, 2025 at 11:29 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: None of this refutes my point 

1. Merely having human DNA doesn't make something fully human 

2. Being unique doesn't make it fully human 

3. Saying if given time to develop again doesn't immediately make it fully human  

So this entire post is moot as it in no way refutes my point that  zygote  aren't fully human and only potentially human 

So define "fully human" - again, you simply *cannot* mean in a scientific sense, which means you are talking philosophically; as made some what likely with your "potentially human."

We have already determined they are human by scientific definition of the American College of Pediatrics; you are either making a philosophical or a moral statement, in which case we go back to your entire premise being reliant of augment of emotions.

Why should I care about your philosophical or moral beliefs about children? The only "care" they warrant is that you use your made up, imaginary definitions and parrot Nazi speech to deny they are humans, so I do "care" in the same way I care about all other fascists who should be pissed on.

Quote:"Simply a fact" is not an argument; the *reality* is that women *are* carrying their rapists children, hence the reason some opt for the choice of killing the child. 

Yup and they should not have to carry their rapists  fetus period 

Quote:Encouraging abortions *encourages* rapists who now have to worry *less* about their DNA being linked to them later on, and it also encourages unsafe sexual practices and acts of "light" sexual coercion against near acquaintances and hookups - "Well, if I knock her up I can just arm twist her into getting an abortion." I'm sorry men exist like that but no amount of closing of eyes and wiping of our minds will make them disappear. 

Encouraging abortion  in no way encourages rapists it does encourage women to not have to carry their rapists  fetus and using forced pregnancy as a means of catching rapists is sick. The actual solution to those kind of men is too encourage women to talk about extortion and give them a safe means of doing so and we can allow them the option of not being forced to be pregnant

Quote:We need to teach women to defend themselves against rapists and teach men to be better men, not throw up our hands and pretend the problem doesn't exist. It will *never* solve itself and will *only* get worse, which seems to be what the perverts who run many of these movements want.

No we need to give women an option to not not have to carry there rapists fetus and your statement that pro choice people are telling women not defend themselves against rapists' and not telling men no to be dicks is bonkers spoiler alert you can do all three . You can tell women to defend themselves . Tell men not to be dicks and make it so women don't have to carry their rapists' fetus

Quote:So some victims of crimes do get to choose if the son is guilty of the sins of the father?

The fetus isn't "guilty " but the woman doesn't want to carry it and shouldn't have too full stop

Quote:So define "fully human" - again, you simply *cannot* mean in a scientific sense, which means you are talking philosophically; as made some what likely with your "potentially human."

I already did and my definition is scientific and not philosophical 

Quote:We have already determined they are human by scientific definition of the American College of Pediatrics; you are either making a philosophical or a moral statement, in which case we go back to your entire premise being reliant of augment of emotions.

Actually we have not determined they are fully human by scientific definition nor is my argument philosophical or a moral or emotional it is scientific 

Quote:Why should I care about your philosophical or moral beliefs about children? The only "care" they warrant is that you use your made up, imaginary definitions and parrot Nazi speech to deny they are humans, so I do "care" in the same way I care about all other fascists who should be pissed on.

1. Nothing I have said is  philosophical or moral

2. Nothing I have said is remotely Nazi like sorry you feel the need to throw around such rhetoric

You heard here people letting women not have to carry their raptist fetus encourages rapists ...lol

Well, it was fun before you went back on broken record mode on the circular logic. See you in a few days when you reset.