(January 2, 2012 at 4:11 pm)chipan Wrote:

(January 2, 2012 at 3:38 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:

(January 2, 2012 at 3:22 pm)chipan Wrote:

Minimalist Wrote:What the fuck are you talking about? Do you EVER know what you are talking about or do you just bend over and pull shit out of your ass. Every fucking thing you say needs to be checked because the vast majority of the time you're clueless.

i'm talking about laws that concern what to eat and what not to eat and laws of circumcision. is this not in the bible?

Why the fuck...those have nothing to do with sanitation...

The old testament says shellfish are abominations (like homosexuals are), then the new testament says shell fish are fine.

I deduce that if the God of the bible exists, then he is not perfect. Perfect gods do not change their minds on what an abomination is or not.

And circumcision is COMPLETELY useless...there is no reason at all why we should continue the practice other than religious reasons.

we were talking about how the jew's hygene laws. i've explained the thing about homosexuality and i'm sick of explaining it. circumcision is a way to keep that body part clean. it's easier to clean if it's circumcised. look it up, tell me i'm wrong. also, we're not talking about whether christianity is true or not, i stated my opinion on this subject, and Minimalist stated one of my claims were BS and i defended it.

Circumcision is a way to keep a body part clean the same way cutting a chikens head off is a way to keep its beek clean.

If circumcision was about cleanliness, and NOT cult identification, then we would have been commanded to shave our entire bodies, as that would be a way to help keep the entire body clean. We would cut the flaps of skin from our nose in order to have easier access to cleaning the innards of the nostrils. the labia on womens sex organs would be cut off to make cleaning easier.

Honestly..do you always just make shit up as you go? Its very annoying, and costing you more and more respect as you do it.

Okay, i looked it up, and sure, it is easier to clean. All I have to do is wipe it with a towel.

If I had my foreskin I would be SOOOO put back in having to pull it back, and then wipe with a towel.

you know, because pulling back a foreskin is such a pain in the ass and difficult to do.


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Does god have a foreskin? We are made in his image right? Did he cut his foreskin off?

I REALLY want to know the last questions...please answer them for me..please!!!

you know you don't have to be an ass. did you know the Jews didn't have running water? do you realize that they did not bathe every day? maybe this is why. jeez.

(January 2, 2012 at 4:38 pm)chipan Wrote: you know you don't have to be an ass. did you know the Jews didn't have running water? do you realize that they did not bathe every day? maybe this is why. jeez.

So that means if we have running water and bathe everyday that circumcision is completely unnecesary now.

reverendjeremiah Wrote:So that means if we have running water and bathe everyday that circumcision is completely unnecesary now.

that's what i said.

chipan Wrote:also note christianity doesn't take anything away from the jewish faith, it just adds on. hygene laws are replaced with up to date hygene methods,

(January 2, 2012 at 12:43 am)padraic Wrote:

Quote:Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?

I don't understand the question. The OT is no more than the mythology of a minor tribe of bronze age goat herders.The Torah was not even written down until ca seventh century bce.. I can't see that different versions make any material difference ALL are copies--of-copies- of- copies going back centuries.


The oldest copy of the OT still extant dates from 900 CE;the result of over 1000 years of repeated copying, by hand.

Yes and was derived from the Egyptian book of the dead and Gilgamesh before that.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84m5k_...-of-3_news

The question is asking if we should give more credence to the Jewish interpretations or the later Christian one.
I E. Eden was our elevation of humanity to the Jews. Or if we should take the opposite Christian view and see our fall.

Regards
DL

i state evidence of a historical jesus on a different thread if you're interested.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-10260-page-8.html

(January 2, 2012 at 5:12 pm)chipan Wrote: i state evidence of a historical jesus on a different thread if you're interested.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-10260-page-8.html

Why would I be interested in your lies?

Even if you prove that he existed in reality still doesnt prove that the stories about him were true

The amount of evidence you need should be spectacular. The kind of evidence that could sway the decision of the entire planet.

Sadly, what you have is more than likely old arguments that have been debunked decades or even centuries ago.

(January 1, 2012 at 6:27 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?

In reading and discussing the O T, I have noted that the Jewish view is in some cases completely opposite of what the Christian view is.
I E. The Jews see Eden as man’s elevation to a moral sense, while Christians see Eden as man’s fall. Jews do not recognize original sin while Christians do.

Jews also do not read the O T as literal and historic while Christians do.

Whose interpretation should hold precedence? The Jewish view or the Christian one?

When Christianity usurped the Jewish God, should they have also usurped their interpretations as well, instead of reversing them?

Regards
DL

Jews do not recognize the original sin?
Think again.
The inheritance of sin, is a concept that comes from the Old Testament.

The view of Jews is in opposition to the Christians in the sense that it generally looks at it from their own viewpoint.

Okay, so I go to that link Chipan, and I see page after page of people handing your ass back at you while you jump around like a squirel trying to enact damage control.

Im not impressed in the slightest. Your list of contemporaries have been brought up so many times on the forum by all the fundies before you..

Guess what, we know what you are going to do before you do it, and we already know how to throw it back down your throat, make you gag on it, then joke the fuck out of you while you choke.

Like I said before...your evidence should be fucking BRILLIANT. Otherwise dont even bother.

(January 2, 2012 at 6:00 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Okay, so I go to that link Chipan, and I see page after page of people handing your ass back at you while you jump around like a squirel trying to enact damage control.

Im not impressed in the slightest. Your list of contemporaries have been brought up so many times on the forum by all the fundies before you..

Guess what, we know what you are going to do before you do it, and we already know how to throw it back down your throat, make you gag on it, then joke the fuck out of you while you choke.

Like I said before...your evidence should be fucking BRILLIANT. Otherwise dont even bother.

Seriously - when was the last time any of us can recall hearing an original argument? One that hasn't been thoroughly debunked and/or argued to death already?

Day after day, month after month, year after year, on this and other similar sites, theists bring some argument that's new to them and they come in here thinking "CHECKMATE, atheists" only to find out that we've heard it a thousand times before.