Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?

[reverendjeremiah]

Okay, so I go to that link Chipan, and I see page after page of people handing your ass back at you while you jump around like a squirel trying to enact damage control.

Im not impressed in the slightest. Your list of contemporaries have been brought up so many times on the forum by all the fundies before you..

Guess what, we know what you are going to do before you do it, and we already know how to throw it back down your throat, make you gag on it, then joke the fuck out of you while you choke.

Like I said before...your evidence should be fucking BRILLIANT. Otherwise dont even bother.

Seriously - when was the last time any of us can recall hearing an original argument? One that hasn't been thoroughly debunked and/or argued to death already?

Day after day, month after month, year after year, on this and other similar sites, theists bring some argument that's new to them and they come in here thinking "CHECKMATE, atheists" only to find out that we've heard it a thousand times before.

Thats exactly it. There is very little a theist can do to suprise me now. I have honestly heard every single argument they have right now, most especially the Christians.

The thing is, it gets so booring knowing the answers to the shit they present that you actually WISH for them to have a new and better argument.

Sure...its new to Chipan, but I read the debunking about his "contemporary historians" list 10 years ago. And that list of his had been debunked like well over a hundred years before I was even born.

It is still chipans fault. He did shoddy homework. He didnt look into the history if the argument he presented and was unaware that some on his list were ratted out of forgeries even as late as the 16th century.

So yes, i feel justified in still blaming Chipan for his fuck up. If he didnt want to fuck up, then he should take his work more seriously. Otherwise he deserves to be mocked the fuck up as an idiot.

[Jackalope]

By all means, carry on.

[Minimalist]

we were talking about how the jew's hygene laws.

Far advanced over your asshole xtians, in the first place. Jews were big on ritual bathing, too.

Only you xtian shits were a bunch of dirty barbarians.

[Jackalope]

we were talking about how the jew's hygene laws.

Far advanced over your asshole xtians, in the first place. Jews were big on ritual bathing, too.

Only you xtian shits were a bunch of dirty barbarians.

The NT didn't tell them how to bathe, or even that they should.

[reverendjeremiah]

They also started right off creating a totalitarian communistic society as the first Christian society. Its spoken of in acts. All members of the christian communist regime were required to hand over 100% of their wealth and property. They were also obliged to do exactly as the leader (who was Peter at the time) said under pain of death. One person tried to hold back on giving over some of his money, but God told Peter that he was being stingy and therefore deserved to be smited. Peter told the man he sinned before the lord for not surrendering everything to the communist regime and the man fell dead right then and there.

Do I think Peter was real? nope. not even a little bit. But the story exists, and someone wrote about this totalitarian communist regime as if it were the apple of Gods eye. That Christians should emulate it.

Quite disgraceful that the bible promotes totalitarian communism as the first church after Christ's death. Yet one more reason why I am no longer a Christian.

[Godscreated]

Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?

I don't understand the question. The OT is no more than the mythology of a minor tribe of bronze age goat herders.The Torah was not even written down until ca seventh century bce.. I can't see that different versions make any material difference ALL are copies--of-copies- of- copies going back centuries.


The oldest copy of the OT still extant dates from 900 CE;the result of over 1000 years of repeated copying, by hand.

The book of Isaiah has been dated back to 300 BC and this is a copy of the original, so the original goes back much farther. We're looking at a 1200 year difference.

[Greatest I am]

Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?

In reading and discussing the O T, I have noted that the Jewish view is in some cases completely opposite of what the Christian view is.
I E. The Jews see Eden as man’s elevation to a moral sense, while Christians see Eden as man’s fall. Jews do not recognize original sin while Christians do.

Jews also do not read the O T as literal and historic while Christians do.

Whose interpretation should hold precedence? The Jewish view or the Christian one?

When Christianity usurped the Jewish God, should they have also usurped their interpretations as well, instead of reversing them?

Regards
DL

Jews do not recognize the original sin?
Think again.
The inheritance of sin, is a concept that comes from the Old Testament.

The view of Jews is in opposition to the Christians in the sense that it generally looks at it from their own viewpoint.

Read what Jews think of original sin and Eden.

http://www.mrrena.com/misc/judaism2.php

Regards
DL

[chi pan]

Far advanced over your asshole xtians, in the first place. Jews were big on ritual bathing, too.

Only you xtian shits were a bunch of dirty barbarians.

ok that is not true in the slightest. you know christians bathe and do proper hygene exactly the same way you do. this is just hate mongering. they brush their teeth, take showers, and clean themselves just like everyone else.

[reverendjeremiah]

Sin is bullshit..if God is merely fictional, then so is the concept of sin.

[Minimalist]

Far advanced over your asshole xtians, in the first place. Jews were big on ritual bathing, too.

Only you xtian shits were a bunch of dirty barbarians.

ok that is not true in the slightest. you know christians bathe and do proper hygene exactly the same way you do. this is just hate mongering. they brush their teeth, take showers, and clean themselves just like everyone else.

Get your head out of your ass and find out what early xtians really thought.

They were ignorant, library burning, temple despoiling thugs.

In the 14th century they were still throwing their fucking garbage into the streets for the rats to thrive upon....which probably helped the Black Death kill an awful lot of them.

You don't know much about anything, do you? How old are you? 9?