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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 10:16 pm
(May 15, 2025 at 9:37 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: That's the entire reason that advertisers target our subconscious.
These are the kinds of wrong ideas that I can tell are beneath the surface when you guys talk about propaganda, etc.
There's no such thing as the subconscious. These are outdated Freudian ideas. Modern psychology does talk about unconscious processing, but it is something altogether different.
And I can only assume that if you brought up the subconscious that you're also thinking of subliminal messaging.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 10:19 pm
Nothing subliminal about christianity. People can't keep it in their goddamned pants.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 10:21 pm
It's sad, a lot of Christians are good people and nice people, but their irrational beliefs make them delusional.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 10:21 pm
-and mean. It's hard to hold a persons delusions against them.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 10:26 pm
(May 15, 2025 at 10:21 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: -and mean. It's hard to hold a persons delusions against them.
Not when it affects my own life negatively.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 10:55 pm
(May 15, 2025 at 10:16 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 15, 2025 at 9:37 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: That's the entire reason that advertisers target our subconscious.
These are the kinds of wrong ideas that I can tell are beneath the surface when you guys talk about propaganda, etc.
There's no such thing as the subconscious. These are outdated Freudian ideas. Modern psychology does talk about unconscious processing, but it is something altogether different.
Most of Freud is utterly outdated. Call it what you like but there's clearly processing that we aren't aware of. Influence that and there's influence that the conscious mind can't easily deal with.
Quote:And I can only assume that if you brought up the subconscious that you're also thinking of subliminal messaging.
No, and I was certain enough that you'd go here that I nearly headed this off in my last post. Subliminals are largely useless, though I often wonder what happens when we fast-forward through ads. I'm thinking of all the not-always-subtle techniques that are used to quietly and indirectly influence us.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 15, 2025 at 11:40 pm
(May 14, 2025 at 10:02 pm)Alan V Wrote: (May 14, 2025 at 7:49 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Of course, he doesn't like nuance, so goes for misrepresentation instead.
I no longer believe John might be a good-faith actor. I think he is here to muddy the waters for his own agenda. He really just admitted as much IMO.
I assume every christer that comes to an atheist site is a bad faith actor. For the most part, it's the only type that does. It's on them to show their not, and they have a very poor track record of that.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 16, 2025 at 12:47 am
(May 15, 2025 at 6:47 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: [...] where the person exposed to the propaganda is involuntarily influenced by it.
That's kinda the goal of it. Make your check out to "Thump". Dingbat.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 16, 2025 at 1:56 am
(May 15, 2025 at 2:32 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 15, 2025 at 2:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Ah, I missed it. Pretty generic, but definitely an answer. Thank you.
I then spent the next 100 pages defending it at a deeper level, That's a matter of opinion, and I strongly disagree, you refused point blank to offer any of the good reason you claimed for your belief / faith. You have used a fair amount of sophistry and semantics of course, the one answer to whether there was evidence, was circular reason, that assumed your conclusion n your opening premise.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 16, 2025 at 5:38 am
(May 15, 2025 at 10:21 pm)Ahriman Wrote: It's sad, a lot of Christians are good people and nice people, but their irrational beliefs make them delusional.
Good people?
If you are in a gang and your gang leader tortures people for not believing it exists and the good people ignore what it’s doing still makes the good people culpable.
Think of all those good xian Germans who just let their gang leader slaughter millions
Good people my ass
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