Quote:Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?

If my view of the OT is not authoritative, then NOBODIES view on the OT is authoritative.

Period.

Minimalist Wrote:They were ignorant, library burning, temple despoiling thugs.

wow, you are really angry for misinformed ideas. you really think Christians held back science? this is a very commonly misinformed idea. you're right that the Romans did burn a lot of libraries but it's something called war. in war, a lot of historical doccuments were destroyed, not just by christians. many people may think that the christians were responsible for the dark ages. the church did not discourage science of any sort at the time. they required every student to study math and science in universities at the time. and also, the universities did not answer to the church and the church had no influence on it. and yes, there was a decline in sciences. but it was not because of christianity or christianity would have made it happen a lot sooner. the reasons were:
1. the collapse of the Western Roman Empire.
2. the extended pandemics of the Plague, which broke out regularly over Europe for a period of a hundred years during the sixth century.

the only example of christians ridiculing any scientific theory was the copernicus theory (which i agree was wrong of them). and this didn't really affect science other than the fact that for a little while longer people thought the earth was the center of the universe (and i know the sun isn't either).

Sorry chip ...the early xtians WERE illiterate and burned libraries and books that were not "sanctified by their narrow little god.

Xtians did hold back science ...please don't get me started on the witch hunts and Inquisition.

Maths and science WERE forwarded in places like Muslim Spain...not xtian Europe, as far as I understand without going to depth about it.

The Plagues mostly affected xtian Europe as I understand it... their standards of hygiene were very low.

Xtianity has always seen science as a threat to it's continuance..as if science can not only FIND this godhead but also supply it's phone/ mail/email addresses and so rendering the 'church' redundant.

The one thing that was feared by the information held in the libraries of antiquity....which is why they were burned by xtian zealots.

Is jewry even a word?

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Well colour me amazed, it is.

(January 4, 2012 at 8:46 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Is jewry even a word?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

Apparently so mate

Yes I just found out myself as well. Still looks like an odd word to me, but it is valid.

(January 4, 2012 at 8:50 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Yes I just found out myself as well. Still looks like an odd word to me, but it is valid.

Yeah...at first look I thought we were talking about legal proceedings...meh

KichigaiNeko Wrote:Xtians did hold back science ...please don't get me started on the witch hunts and Inquisition.

the Inquisition was not about science. that was purely religion vs relition and some politics involved.

KichigaiNeko Wrote:The Plagues mostly affected xtian Europe as I understand it... their standards of hygiene were very low.

no it affected everyone in europe the same. they all had the same hygiene standards reguardless of religion.

KichigaiNeko Wrote:Xtianity has always seen science as a threat to it's continuance..as if science can not only FIND this godhead but also supply it's phone/ mail/email addresses and so rendering the 'church' redundant.

no, christians always helped science. science was funded by the church in the day. the only time they treated a scientific theory blasphemy was already mentioned on my last post. if you have more examples feel free to share.

(January 4, 2012 at 9:10 am)chipan Wrote: no, christians always helped science.

Creationism; what a helping hand...

houseofcantor Wrote:Creationism; what a helping hand...

you're dodging the subject by trying to change it. christians did not hold back science. since i asked you a question before and you did not answer it i assume you don't have an answer to it.